I know what Bowman/Morpheous is that is why I put radio in quotation marks. One would hope that such an 'open' system as Morpheus could be integrated into whatever vehicle was procured. Well if you want to integrate a bespoke UK capability then it's no longer OTS is it? Regardless of being 'open', ...

Scrap program now ,buy off shelf , no alterations ,a few possibilities out there ,done Do you know an OTS product with Bowman? If what sort of 'radio' is fitted to a vehicle is the deciding factor as to its suitability then your procurement system is completely broken. You haven't a clue. Bowman/Mo...

Maybe a more intelligent question would be why are the German Navy fitting such a sophisticated radar/cms to the MKS180.
A 10,000t destroyer only fitted with RIM and ESSM which is supposed to replace the 3600t Brandenberg ASW frigates.
And we moan that T31 is under armed and oversize.

RunningStrong wrote:

inch wrote:Scrap program now ,buy off shelf , no alterations ,a few possibilities out there ,done

Do you know an OTS product with Bowman?

If what sort of 'radio' is fitted to a vehicle is the deciding factor as to its suitability then your procurement system is completely broken.

don’t think that’ll happen though, given the T31 mission requirements... Well those could change... like howabout: babysitting any of the LRGs, while being the only combatant 'around' :?: And if they do end up serving as LRG escorts more cells can be added... the design can take 4x8 MK-41 cells, so...

100% funded by the Italians Can't have been 100% funded by Italy, I remember a report of the UK stumping up the last of their commitment to the program, to provide the cash for final trials to get underway. It wasn't that long ago Another oddity is the picture at the top of the Alatross NG brochure...

Re. the T31 Sea Ceptor launchers, Italian sources mention the launchers (see below) in passing on info on the Albatros NG/CAMM-ER, would infer that its unlikely the EXLS would be used. Albatros NG/CAMM-ER build which appears substantially Italian as one would expect as the Italian Government funded...

I really don’t get the negativity around this ship type. I think it’s the most sensible procurement decision they’ve made since HMS ocean was built Completely agree. It's bizarre. Compare T31 threads/comments to River Class. T31 is so negative, not a real ship, not armed enough, waste of money, upg...

Lord Jim wrote:Well they had better improve the Radar so the T-31 can get as much warning of the approach of hostile forces as possible, so they can get the hell out of Dodge!

What's wrong with NS100?

Appledore? Daily Mail: Boris Johnson announces successor to Royal Yacht Britannia flagship to 'promote British trade on the world stage' following Brexit https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9633323/Boris-Johnson-announces-successor-Royal-Yacht-Britannia-flagship.html https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1...

By your logic BAE Systems is a property development company, they developed the hell out of Cowley. And Triumph Motorcycles are a property development company, they've been propped up by Bloor Homes for years. A&P and Cammels between them are 200 million GBP annual turnover. That's enough to be...

Good thing is Babcock also knows something about systems integration through T23 LIFEX program. Interesting you mention that because Babcock released a CGI of the T31 build showing the ship being towed out of the 'shed' at Rosyth, fitting the mast, load out onto a submersible barge. Now where it go...

Cammell Laird, Birkenhead https://www.clbh.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Facilities0001.jpg https://www.clbh.co.uk/facilities *Note the land to the of the left construction hall is up for sale as a business park. Harland & Wolff Belfast https://www.harland-wolff.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05...

Lord Jim wrote:Where once there was BAe

If we go back to when what are now Boxer and Ajax were conceived Vickers, Alvis and GKN were still in the armoured vehicle business.

Alternate reality
GKN Boxer and Alvis CV90

Nonsense. Peel Ports are a predominantly logistics company that operate ports long term. Shipbuilding fits logically within their portfolio. It involves ports and logistics. They're not a property developer. The idea that swanky waterside apartments are going to go up in Birkenhead or Falmouth is l...

- Note there are, A&P which are already in risk, and Falmouth which is the rival of Cammell Laird for RFA ship maintenance. Babcock Plymouth is also there for ship maintenance and modification. Cammell Laird is very important. They are the best-trained shipyard to build a large ship in UK , eve...

Sampson is being refurbished too.

https://twitter.com/navylookout/status/ ... 4312317952

I think you'll be wrong there. With visits to Harland and Wolff by Boris and Prince Charles and the background of strengthening the union FSS is going to Belfast. Would that really be a bad thing? Where did I say it would be a bad thing? More work for H&W or any other yard would be good. My con...

Ron5 wrote: Rosyth might be too busy building FSS & MRSS anyway.

I think you'll be wrong there. With visits to Harland and Wolff by Boris and Prince Charles and the background of strengthening the union FSS is going to Belfast.

seaspear wrote:So the type 45,s radar is confirmed as fifteen years old without any previous upgrades,the question might be is this still cutting edge?

This is just the S1850M/SMART-L long range radar not Sampson. However it too is of a similar age.

Fort Victoria was built in Harland and Wolff good lineage The only real alternative is Cammell Laird and they were badly burned by Sir DA. They have also openly admitted they would need to be in partnership with one of the giants in order to underwrite any future big bid. I take it that's what Team...

The MoD has said there will be a Type 32 competition to determine where they will be built. Please provide a link to article or video where the "MOD" say this. In the defence cmmand paper it says We will be investing in a renaissance in British shipbuilding through a shipbuilding pipeline...

Yes I would agree the T-31 could operate as a guard ship in the Gulf as long as it has the "Cavalry", available at very short notice in the form of air cover and "Real" warships. This is what has allowed the US to deploy USCG Cutters in the region. But to be forward deployed wit...

Yes I would agree the T-31 could operate as a guard ship in the Gulf as long as it has the "Cavalry", available at very short notice in the form of air cover and "Real" warships. This is what has allowed the US to deploy USCG Cutters in the region. But to be forward deployed wit...

In November 2018 MoD agreed to fund three bids for the Competitive Design Phase of the Type 31e Frigate competition. Atlas Elektronik UK were one of those three bids and they received £5 million to fund detailed design work. We don't know what Atlas delivered for that £5 million and we won't becaus...