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Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Somebody wanted a higher resolution pic ..
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Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
great picRichardIC wrote:I've got to say my first thought was "how completely random".
But there is a rationale and individually there are some cracking names.
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... tion-class
Personally I was rooting for an F-class with the lead to be Fearless. At least I got Formidable right.
No-one's going to use "Inspiration Class".
Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
I agree with the general sentiment that seems to be forming - the class name is pants but the individual ships have some decent names amongst them.
You have to wonder what echo-chambers these people must be in who signed off on 'Inspiration Class'
You have to wonder what echo-chambers these people must be in who signed off on 'Inspiration Class'
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Yeah. I maybe could have gotten away with the Aspiration Class as in they aspire to be real warships.Defiance wrote:I agree with the general sentiment that seems to be forming - the class name is pants but the individual ships have some decent names amongst them.
You have to wonder what echo-chambers these people must be in who signed off on 'Inspiration Class'
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Comms from the RN are improving all the time; the rest of the MoD/ the Commands should aspire to the same (though I must say that the prez to the Atlantic Council was a gig step in that direction):
" at the heart of a new era of maritime renaissance – as heralded by this year’s defence review – which recognised the importance of defence, the Royal Navy and the maritime realm to the prosperity of the nation.
This “maritime resurgence” has brought with it a rebirth of Britain’s shipbuilding industry to provide modernised forces – but the government expects “increased presence” as a result"
" at the heart of a new era of maritime renaissance – as heralded by this year’s defence review – which recognised the importance of defence, the Royal Navy and the maritime realm to the prosperity of the nation.
This “maritime resurgence” has brought with it a rebirth of Britain’s shipbuilding industry to provide modernised forces – but the government expects “increased presence” as a result"
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
'Gig' in the above was meant to be 'big'... but both will work
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
When it comes to ship names the RN is a bit like the Aristocrat who has downsized and ended up with far too much ancient furniture for their new place. Pick and mix just makes it obvious that your estate is smaller these days so you need to be ruthless, more selective and do small with the style and absolute confidence that makes other people think 'they have still got it'.
The names chosen for the Type 31s are all great but it is a shame that they didn't have the nerve to stick to a single letter.
The RN inspires due to its history and traditions and coming up with 'inspiration Class' as your wrapper for frigates is embarrassing on so many levels. I am sure many of us have been in those meetings when the consultant(s) starts chuffing complete tosh and if you don't act quicky to put out the fire then before long it is time to abandon ship.
Presumably Adm Radakin approved this so the buck stops with him. It is a mistake but at least no-one got killed.
If you want inspiration without the patronising guff then a common letter theme with these names would have done the trick:
Acasta, Achilles, Active, Adventure & Ardent
Beagle, Bellona, Berwick, Broke & Bulldog
Campbeltown, Centurion, Conqueror, Cossack & Cumberland
Faulknor, Foresight Formidable, Fortune & Fury
Vampire, Venomous, Venturer, Vindictive & Vulcan
No consultant needed.
The names chosen for the Type 31s are all great but it is a shame that they didn't have the nerve to stick to a single letter.
The RN inspires due to its history and traditions and coming up with 'inspiration Class' as your wrapper for frigates is embarrassing on so many levels. I am sure many of us have been in those meetings when the consultant(s) starts chuffing complete tosh and if you don't act quicky to put out the fire then before long it is time to abandon ship.
Presumably Adm Radakin approved this so the buck stops with him. It is a mistake but at least no-one got killed.
If you want inspiration without the patronising guff then a common letter theme with these names would have done the trick:
Acasta, Achilles, Active, Adventure & Ardent
Beagle, Bellona, Berwick, Broke & Bulldog
Campbeltown, Centurion, Conqueror, Cossack & Cumberland
Faulknor, Foresight Formidable, Fortune & Fury
Vampire, Venomous, Venturer, Vindictive & Vulcan
No consultant needed.
Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
I am surprised they haven't given a nod to the SJWs with;
Remorse, Reimagine, Regret, Reinterpret, Reimagine.
All referring to how they want us to see our countries History, but with no historical context and based on todays moral view point.
Remorse, Reimagine, Regret, Reinterpret, Reimagine.
All referring to how they want us to see our countries History, but with no historical context and based on todays moral view point.
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One could have been named Gloworm as they are expected to do equally uneven battle as the previous Gloworm did by taking on the Admiral Hipper (of mere 14,250 tons)
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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How can a ship class be called "Inspiration Class" when there will be no HMS Inspiration?
An absolutely shit name.
An absolutely shit name.
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Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Surely they have to be the Active Class? Much more appropriate IMO.SKB wrote:How can a ship class be called "Inspiration Class" when there will be no HMS Inspiration?
The faster this decision gets changed the better.
Underarmed, pretend Frigates aren't an inspiration to anyone, just a showcase of decline.
It's time for a hasty U-turn and quick!
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Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
As said a poor choice by the Navy here with what we have i.e
SSN's = A & T class ( Astute - Triumph so on )
SSBN's = Battleship names
Carriers = Royal's
LPD's = old carrier names
Type 45 = D class
type 23 = Duke class
type 26 = city class
Suvrey = E class
River class = ?
MCM = old WW 2 destroyers or coastal towns
For me this should of lead to type 31 being the B , C or F class however as said lets hope we can get back on track with type 32
SSN's = A & T class ( Astute - Triumph so on )
SSBN's = Battleship names
Carriers = Royal's
LPD's = old carrier names
Type 45 = D class
type 23 = Duke class
type 26 = city class
Suvrey = E class
River class = ?
MCM = old WW 2 destroyers or coastal towns
For me this should of lead to type 31 being the B , C or F class however as said lets hope we can get back on track with type 32
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Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
I would vote for F (the concept for Gs already on the drawing board.
Never made the connection as per below below; the whole line up of current combatants being Ds (well, the Dukes are in fact two sub-classes)
Never made the connection as per below below; the whole line up of current combatants being Ds (well, the Dukes are in fact two sub-classes)
Tempest414 wrote:Type 45 = D class
type 23 = Duke class
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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They are? The Navy disagrees.ArmChairCivvy wrote:the Dukes are in fact two sub-classes)
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Proof?Ron5 wrote:The Navy disagrees.
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
True, you should have provided someArmChairCivvy wrote:Proof?Ron5 wrote:The Navy disagrees.
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Is it more a case of the Navy ended up having two sub classes within the T-23 fleet as a result of the way they were used and kitted out on operations. The majority were still operated as high end ASW vessels whereas the remainder were operated in a more general role and were not fitted nor crewed for certain capabilities.
I know when the T-23 entered service there were things missing on the first few ships and so on, but besides what I have tried to describe above I cannot see any evidence for there officially being two sub classes.
I know when the T-23 entered service there were things missing on the first few ships and so on, but besides what I have tried to describe above I cannot see any evidence for there officially being two sub classes.
Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
According to the RN the ships are named to inspire, all previously named ships of the name did something inspirational.SKB wrote:How can a ship class be called "Inspiration Class" when there will be no HMS Inspiration?
An absolutely shit name.
Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Progress on T31 ship Hall..............
Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Or lack of.bobp wrote:Progress on T31 ship Hall..............
Crappy model too
By the way, he shouldn't be there, should he? Supposed to be a fixed price "customer hands off" contract with no interference from the Navy.
Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Is it me or the model has the 24 missile Sea Ceptor farm (I’m seeing it on my mobile phone, so there’s only so much I can zoom)?
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We can only hope, in the missile/drone/swarm age I fear for any ship with only 12 cells.
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It just the old pro mo model it also has a 5" gun which we know T-31 is not gettingJohnM wrote:Is it me or the model has the 24 missile Sea Ceptor farm (I’m seeing it on my mobile phone, so there’s only so much I can zoom)?
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Ron5 wrote:Supposed to be a fixed price "customer hands off" contract with no interference from the Navy.
So, the DG Ships @DefenceES should be walking around (for half a decade ) with a hood around his head - or, rather with race-horse type of blinkers, so that he could only see sail boats
- how long is the 'tour' btw?
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Thought the barrel looked a bit large for 57mmTempest414 wrote:It just the old pro mo model it also has a 5" gun which we know T-31 is not gettingJohnM wrote:Is it me or the model has the 24 missile Sea Ceptor farm (I’m seeing it on my mobile phone, so there’s only so much I can zoom)?
Perhaps it's the T32 model.....