Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

[abc123]

How good is Mojave for take off or landing when the sea and wind aren't so calm like in this video?

[wargame_insomniac]

How good is Mojave for take off or landing when the sea and wind aren't so calm like in this video?

I would have hoped that POW has trialled more than one set of take offs & landings as part of the Mojave testing. Start with unloaded drone in calm weather and gradually increase the payload and then start again from unloaded but under adverse weather conditions.

[new guy]

How good is Mojave for take off or landing when the sea and wind aren't so calm like in this video?

I would have hoped that POW has trialled more than one set of take offs & landings as part of the Mojave testing. Start with unloaded drone in calm weather and gradually increase the payload and then start again from unloaded but under adverse weather conditions.

https://www.ga-asi.com/images/products/ ... P07263.pdf

About 18 hours ISR endurance, 2 hours with weapon load.

[wargame_insomniac]

How good is Mojave for take off or landing when the sea and wind aren't so calm like in this video?

I would have hoped that POW has trialled more than one set of take offs & landings as part of the Mojave testing. Start with unloaded drone in calm weather and gradually increase the payload and then start again from unloaded but under adverse weather conditions.

https://www.ga-asi.com/images/products/ ... P07263.pdf

About 18 hours ISR endurance, 2 hours with weapon load.

Taking off from land -sure.
What about taking off from an aircraft carrier?
Specifially the POW / QNLZ??
Under what sea state???
Practical experience of what the Mojave can do in real daily RN operations at sea, not what it could theorically do in a sales brochure.

[new guy]

How good is Mojave for take off or landing when the sea and wind aren't so calm like in this video?

I would have hoped that POW has trialled more than one set of take offs & landings as part of the Mojave testing. Start with unloaded drone in calm weather and gradually increase the payload and then start again from unloaded but under adverse weather conditions.

https://www.ga-asi.com/images/products/ ... P07263.pdf

About 18 hours ISR endurance, 2 hours with weapon load.

Taking off from land -sure.
What about taking off from an aircraft carrier?
Specifially the POW / QNLZ??
Under what sea state???
Practical experience of what the Mojave can do in real daily RN operations at sea, not what it could theorically do in a sales brochure.

Not like there is another source.

Donald-san believes that a MQ-9B STOL performance factors would be better due to ramp, ship head wind, general head wind, and something about the wing positively squaring up in lift value.

[Scimitar54]

????? What on Earth do people think the purpose of the MQ-9B on-board trials were for?
????? Do people really think that the gathered data would be free for publication?
????? We don’t know yet, but are there more trials to come?
????? Is equivalent information available for the F-35B?
????? Accepting the calm conditions in the Video, I note that the Ski-Jump was not even
relevant. The craft was launched well before reaching ithe ramp.
I am afraid it seems like a lot of talk about nothing to me!

[abc123]

The craft was launched well before reaching ithe ramp.
I am afraid it seems like a lot of talk about nothing to me!

IMHO, not so much talk about nothing.
Did you see how fast did it fly up when taking off, with presumably carrier turned its course into the wind. The whole configuration of the UAV is adjusted for exactly that.
Now, what will happen when, instead of gentle wind that blows in whatever direction ( it isn't important for the test, you can turn the carrier ) and balmy sea- you have strong wind that blows sideways, for example if the UAV has to fly to the north, but the strong wind is from the east?
Carrier takeoff and landing is a tricky thing even for a experienced pilot, how good is a computer, who knows?

[Bring Deeps]

Am I missing something? I thought it was rule 101 that carriers always turn into the wind to launch unless there are exceptional reasons not to.

[Bring Deeps]

Also, based on commercial flying experience, aren't auto pilot systems statistically safer than human pilots?

[Little J]

I'll put this here, but if the mod's want to move it...



The night time parts are really cool by the way

[Roberto]

I'll put this here, but if the mod's want to move it...



The night time parts are really cool by the way

Facinating, thanks for posting. It's really interesting to see RVL being truly tested and opened out at progressively increasing speed.

As you say the night, dawn, dusk filming is beautiful too....

[SKB]

^ @ 6m:32s Vertical take-offs too? I don't recall that being done before.

[Caribbean]

Almost any vessel with a flight deck & hangar could ferry replacement aircraft and transfer them across to the carrier using VTOL

[Herc15]

^ @ 6m:32s Vertical take-offs too? I don't recall that being done before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW28Mb1YvwY here is the test bird doing it, not seen it on a carrier before though.

Edit. sorry not sure how to embed the video

[new guy]

Almost any vessel with a flight deck & hangar could ferry replacement aircraft and transfer them across to the carrier using VTOL

It would melt the flight deck.

[Caribbean]

Almost any vessel with a flight deck & hangar could ferry replacement aircraft and transfer them across to the carrier using VTOL

It would melt the flight deck.

I was kind of assuming that they would apply relevant coatings (and strengthening, where applicable), but maybe all posts should be accompanied by a full technical spec and list of caveats going forward

Or people could just fill in the blanks themselves.

[downsizer]

Almost any vessel with a flight deck & hangar could ferry replacement aircraft and transfer them across to the carrier using VTOL

It would melt the flight deck.

I was kind of assuming that they would apply relevant coatings (and strengthening, where applicable), but maybe all posts should be accompanied by a full technical spec and list of caveats going forward

Or people could just fill in the blanks themselves.

Except that your statement at the minute is wildly inaccurate without serious technical work and expense that isn't going to happen.

[mrclark303]

Almost any vessel with a flight deck & hangar could ferry replacement aircraft and transfer them across to the carrier using VTOL

It would melt the flight deck.

I was kind of assuming that they would apply relevant coatings (and strengthening, where applicable), but maybe all posts should be accompanied by a full technical spec and list of caveats going forward

Or people could just fill in the blanks themselves.

Except that your statement at the minute is wildly inaccurate without serious technical work and expense that isn't going to happen.

I suppose playing devil's advocate, in a war emergency you could bolt steel panels to the deck as a temporary measure to VTO F35's from a suitable transport ship to the Carrier.

I can't think of a reason we would need to do that today, bar another Falklands war, but it's possible.

Necessity is the mother of invention as they say....

[new guy]

Almost any vessel with a flight deck & hangar could ferry replacement aircraft and transfer them across to the carrier using VTOL

It would melt the flight deck.

I was kind of assuming that they would apply relevant coatings (and strengthening, where applicable), but maybe all posts should be accompanied by a full technical spec and list of caveats going forward

Or people could just fill in the blanks themselves.

Except that your statement at the minute is wildly inaccurate without serious technical work and expense that isn't going to happen.

I suppose playing devil's advocate, in a war emergency you could bolt steel panels to the deck as a temporary measure to VTO F35's from a suitable transport ship to the Carrier.

I can't think of a reason we would need to do that today, bar another Falklands war, but it's possible.

Necessity is the mother of invention as they say....

Other ships are also made of steel...

[Caribbean]

Except that your statement at the minute is wildly inaccurate without serious technical work and expense that isn't going to happen.

Yawn. Did you notice the word "could"? Used to indicate a possibility. Clearly not.

2 Flight decks were fitted to Canberra in 48 hours. Implies that there was some form of pre-planning for the eventuality (not specifically Canberra, but for requisitioned civilian vessels in general). There was certainly a list of pre-surveyed civilian ships that the MOD had on its requisition list.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that sort of contingency planning is done today

[mrclark303]

Almost any vessel with a flight deck & hangar could ferry replacement aircraft and transfer them across to the carrier using VTOL

It would melt the flight deck.

I was kind of assuming that they would apply relevant coatings (and strengthening, where applicable), but maybe all posts should be accompanied by a full technical spec and list of caveats going forward

Or people could just fill in the blanks themselves.

Except that your statement at the minute is wildly inaccurate without serious technical work and expense that isn't going to happen.

I suppose playing devil's advocate, in a war emergency you could bolt steel panels to the deck as a temporary measure to VTO F35's from a suitable transport ship to the Carrier.

I can't think of a reason we would need to do that today, bar another Falklands war, but it's possible.

Necessity is the mother of invention as they say....

Other ships are also made of steel...

That's not what I am saying. If you wanted to VTO ferry F35B's from a STUFT transport ship and launch them from the deck, then you need to protect the deck, i.e steel sheets bolted to the deck and hosed down with water...

[downsizer]

Except that your statement at the minute is wildly inaccurate without serious technical work and expense that isn't going to happen.

Yawn. Did you notice the word "could"? Used to indicate a possibility. Clearly not.

2 Flight decks were fitted to Canberra in 48 hours. Implies that there was some form of pre-planning for the eventuality (not specifically Canberra, but for requisitioned civilian vessels in general). There was certainly a list of pre-surveyed civilian ships that the MOD had on its requisition list.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that sort of contingency planning is done today

Cheers dits.

It's about as likely as me winning the euromillions tomorrow.

[new guy]

Except that your statement at the minute is wildly inaccurate without serious technical work and expense that isn't going to happen.

Yawn. Did you notice the word "could"? Used to indicate a possibility. Clearly not.

2 Flight decks were fitted to Canberra in 48 hours. Implies that there was some form of pre-planning for the eventuality (not specifically Canberra, but for requisitioned civilian vessels in general). There was certainly a list of pre-surveyed civilian ships that the MOD had on its requisition list.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that sort of contingency planning is done today

One would hope...

[new guy]

Almost any vessel with a flight deck & hangar could ferry replacement aircraft and transfer them across to the carrier using VTOL

It would melt the flight deck.

I was kind of assuming that they would apply relevant coatings (and strengthening, where applicable), but maybe all posts should be accompanied by a full technical spec and list of caveats going forward

Or people could just fill in the blanks themselves.

Except that your statement at the minute is wildly inaccurate without serious technical work and expense that isn't going to happen.

I suppose playing devil's advocate, in a war emergency you could bolt steel panels to the deck as a temporary measure to VTO F35's from a suitable transport ship to the Carrier.

I can't think of a reason we would need to do that today, bar another Falklands war, but it's possible.

Necessity is the mother of invention as they say....

Other ships are also made of steel...

That's not what I am saying. If you wanted to VTO ferry F35B's from a STUFT transport ship and launch them from the deck, then you need to protect the deck, i.e steel sheets bolted to the deck and hosed down with water...

But the deck would already be made of steel, so it would help nill.

[Bongodog]

Except that your statement at the minute is wildly inaccurate without serious technical work and expense that isn't going to happen.

Yawn. Did you notice the word "could"? Used to indicate a possibility. Clearly not.

2 Flight decks were fitted to Canberra in 48 hours. Implies that there was some form of pre-planning for the eventuality (not specifically Canberra, but for requisitioned civilian vessels in general). There was certainly a list of pre-surveyed civilian ships that the MOD had on its requisition list.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that sort of contingency planning is done today

One would hope...

MOD officials boarded Canberra at Gibraltar on its way to Southampton to take the required measurements for the flightdecks, the recently printed history of the Canberra has full details of this, but no mention of any advance contingency planning.