Brexit - The UK's EU Referendum & Withdrawal

[SKB]

The point is, they were told to stand for the "national anthem" of the EU. The EU is not a nation or a country. They stood and turned their backs in silence to quietly protest this forced "national anthem" that nobody elected to have.

Ode To Joy has as much legitimacy to being a national anthem as the theme tune to Hawaii Five-0 does.

[Caribbean]

Worth noting that the Scots Nats and Catalans also refused to stand for the "anthem"

[SKB]

Ann Widdecombe MEP (SW England) gives her first speech at the EU Parliament.

[Pseudo]

Ann Widdecombe MEP (SW England) gives her first speech at the EU Parliament.

This satire website hits the nail on the head...

Ann Widdecombe has chosen to use her maiden EU speech to lecture the European parliament on what democracy means, while speaking on behalf of a party with an unelected leader that cannot be replaced.

Widdecombe said the elections for the European Parliament President were undemocratic, even though every MEP got a vote and the winner – David-Maria Sassoli – won over 50% of those votes, in stark contrast to the zero votes cast for Nigel Farage to lead the Brexit Party.

She told those gathered, “Just because we got to vote on the new parliamentary president, and no-one wins that election unless a majority of MEPs vote for them, doesn’t make it a democratic process – just as my party having a leader that no-one voted for isn’t undemocratic.

“That’s because democracy is about getting your own way, and when I don’t get my own way it must be a lack of democracy. There is no other explanation for more people voting for a thing I don’t like. Just because my view is in the minority, doesn’t mean it should be ignored. No, this is nothing like Brexit. Shut up.

She went on, “The UK is nothing more than a nation of slaves under the yoke of the EU. And I can say this with complete confidence because as a middle-class white person I have never had any exposure to what slavery actually means.

“I can quite happily define slavery as being made to obey stuff like fishing quotas or to follow rules about bendy bananas. Because that’s what democracy really means.”

[SKB]

Satire isn't reality.

[Pseudo]

Satire isn't reality.

In this case it's closer to reality than the contents of Widdecombe's speech.

[bobp]

243 years since the USA crashed out of the British Empire without a deal. Happy Independence day.

[Pseudo]

243 years since the USA crashed out of the British Empire without a deal. Happy Independence day.

The Treaty of Paris would like a word with you.

[SKB]

The US did not get independence on 4th July 1776. That was merely the date they declared their independence with their signed petition.

The US was granted independence on 3rd September 1783, with the signing of the Treaty of Paris which ceased the conflict:

Treaty of Paris (1783)

1. Britain acknowledges the United States (New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia) to be free, sovereign, and independent states, and that the British Crown and all heirs and successors relinquish claims to the Government, property, and territorial rights of the same, and every part thereof,

2. Establishing the boundaries of the United States, including but not limited to those between the United States and British North America from the Mississippi River to the Southern colonies. Britain surrenders their previously owned land,

3. Granting fishing rights to United States fishermen in the Grand Banks, off the coast of Newfoundland and in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence;

4. Recognizing the lawful contracted debts to be paid to creditors on either side;

5. The Congress of the Confederation will "earnestly recommend" to state legislatures to recognize the rightful owners of all confiscated lands and "provide for the restitution of all estates, rights, and properties, which have been confiscated belonging to British subjects" (Loyalists);

6. United States will prevent future confiscations of the property of Loyalists;

7. Prisoners of war on both sides are to be released; all property of the British army (including slaves) now in the United States is to remain and be forfeited;

8. Great Britain and the United States are each to be given perpetual access to the Mississippi River;

9. Territories captured by either side subsequent to the treaty will be returned without compensation;

10. Ratification of the treaty is to occur within six months from its signing.

Done at Paris, this third day of September in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three."

[Dave]

Bunch of ignorant morons who don’t have a clue at the symbolism of their actions.

[dmereifield]

Bunch of ignorant morons who don’t have a clue at the symbolism of their actions.

Silly comparison

[Dave]

Bunch of ignorant morons who don’t have a clue at the symbolism of their actions.

Silly comparison

Other than being an exact copy of what Hitler and the NSDAP did, you mean?

[Caribbean]

Well - I think we did pretty well on this thread, but Godwin's Law always wins out in the end!

[Dave]

Well - I think we did pretty well on this thread, but Godwin's Law always wins out in the end!

Thanks to Nigel and his disciples it’s well and truly invoked

[dmereifield]

Well - I think we did pretty well on this thread, but Godwin's Law always wins out in the end!

Thanks to Nigel and his disciples it’s well and truly invoked

Well Dave, there are photos of the Nazi's sitting and facing the right way for national anthems, does that mean all of the MEPs that didn't turn their backs are like the Nazi's? You know the Nazi's used to eat lunch at around mid day, do you eat lunch at around mid day, Dave? I guess that would make you like the Nazi's if you did, right?

[Dave]

Well - I think we did pretty well on this thread, but Godwin's Law always wins out in the end!

Thanks to Nigel and his disciples it’s well and truly invoked

Well Dave, there are photos of the Nazi's sitting and facing the right way for national anthems, does that mean all of the MEPs that didn't turn their backs are like the Nazi's? You know the Nazi's used to eat lunch at around mid day, do you eat lunch at around mid day, Dave? I guess that would make you like the Nazi's if you did, right?

[Cooper]

Every time idiots like you play the 'Nazi' card....the real meaning of the term is cheapened.

[Dave]

Every time idiots like you play the 'Nazi' card....the real meaning of the term is cheapened.

The only idiot is the one who thinks anyone called Farage or the Brexit Party (Ltd) MEPs nazis in that post, if you can read try again and see I called them idiots for failing to see the symbolism of their action, not that they were nazis. Do you understand what symbolism is?

[T-Force]

Worth noting that the Scots Nats and Catalans also refused to stand for the "anthem"

it is also worth noting that we will be leaving the UK, and no matter what Hunt or Johnson says they cannot stop us from leaving as 1 of 2 signatories of the act of union we are not Catalonia if they refuse another referendum then come the general election we will campaign on the grounds of winning a simple majority of seats 30+ and we will dissolve the union negating a referendum, the polls have SNP winning 53 - 59 of the 59 seats in Scotland and polls showing a majority for Independence, along with the Scottish greens we already have a mandate to hold a referendum, the UK government refuses to release the result of there own poll.

The UK won the last time because they made promises thy were never going to keep on the eve of the vote promises like guaranteed EU citizenship and near federalism among other promises which broke the Edinburgh agreement, without that vow Scotland would already be a Independent country, Brexiters seem to think that they can leave the EU and keep the UK united your are living in a fantasy you can't have both

remember last time round the vast majority of the 200K plus EU citizens voted NO

[Pseudo]

Worth noting that the Scots Nats and Catalans also refused to stand for the "anthem"

it is also worth noting that we will be leaving the UK, and no matter what Hunt or Johnson says they cannot stop us from leaving as 1 of 2 signatories of the act of union we are not Catalonia if they refuse another referendum then come the general election we will campaign on the grounds of winning a simple majority of seats 30+ and we will dissolve the union negating a referendum, the polls have SNP winning 53 - 59 of the 59 seats in Scotland and polls showing a majority for Independence, along with the Scottish greens we already have a mandate to hold a referendum, the UK government refuses to release the result of there own poll.

If SNP MP's were to put a bill rescinding the 1707 act of union before parliament it would be defeated by over five-hundred votes. If the SNP were to regain a majority in the Scottish Parliament and put a bill rescinding the 1707 act of union it would be illegal since it's not within the powers devolved to the Scottish Parliament. What you're proposing has no legal basis in law and would result in the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament and the arrest of much of the SNP's leadership.

Personally, I disagree with the current British government's unwillingness to consider a second referendum on the question of Scottish Independence. I tend to think that a second defeat would actually settle the question for twenty years at least. However, I think it's understandable given the clusterfuck that they've created for themselves.

[Cooper]

Worth noting that the Scots Nats and Catalans also refused to stand for the "anthem"

it is also worth noting that we will be leaving the UK, and no matter what Hunt or Johnson says they cannot stop us from leaving as 1 of 2 signatories of the act of union we are not Catalonia if they refuse another referendum then come the general election we will campaign on the grounds of winning a simple majority of seats 30+ and we will dissolve the union negating a referendum, the polls have SNP winning 53 - 59 of the 59 seats in Scotland and polls showing a majority for Independence, along with the Scottish greens we already have a mandate to hold a referendum, the UK government refuses to release the result of there own poll.

The UK won the last time because they made promises thy were never going to keep on the eve of the vote promises like guaranteed EU citizenship and near federalism among other promises which broke the Edinburgh agreement, without that vow Scotland would already be a Independent country, Brexiters seem to think that they can leave the EU and keep the UK united your are living in a fantasy you can't have both

remember last time round the vast majority of the 200K plus EU citizens voted NO

Someone's been guzzling down the separatist Kool-Aid by the bucket full... ....

[T-Force]

Worth noting that the Scots Nats and Catalans also refused to stand for the "anthem"

it is also worth noting that we will be leaving the UK, and no matter what Hunt or Johnson says they cannot stop us from leaving as 1 of 2 signatories of the act of union we are not Catalonia if they refuse another referendum then come the general election we will campaign on the grounds of winning a simple majority of seats 30+ and we will dissolve the union negating a referendum, the polls have SNP winning 53 - 59 of the 59 seats in Scotland and polls showing a majority for Independence, along with the Scottish greens we already have a mandate to hold a referendum, the UK government refuses to release the result of there own poll.

If SNP MP's were to put a bill rescinding the 1707 act of union before parliament it would be defeated by over five-hundred votes. If the SNP were to regain a majority in the Scottish Parliament and put a bill rescinding the 1707 act of union it would be illegal since it's not within the powers devolved to the Scottish Parliament. What you're proposing has no legal basis in law and would result in the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament and the arrest of much of the SNP's leadership.

Personally, I disagree with the current British government's unwillingness to consider a second referendum on the question of Scottish Independence. I tend to think that a second defeat would actually settle the question for twenty years at least. However, I think it's understandable given the clusterfuck that they've created for themselves.

it does not work like that if the SNP campaign on Independence in the next general election and win over 30 seats the UK won't have a leg to stand on there is the fact that Claim of Right is enshrined into Scottish politics even Westminster recognises the people of Scotland are sovereign, as one of 2 signatories we don't need London's consent that is a courtesy as we believe the UK has broken the act of Union via EVEL, Scottish government has already received advice from Scotland's highest law lord and UK law cannot supersede Scots law if UK law does over rule Scots law the UK ceases to exist

we won't lose a 2nd vote that is why UK government is afraid to issue one, the rUK better start looking for a new nuclear base for Trident

[SKB]

Can you please take your Scottish Independence discussion to the Scotland (Political) thread please?
https://www.ukdefenceforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=343

[Cooper]

Worth noting that the Scots Nats and Catalans also refused to stand for the "anthem"

it is also worth noting that we will be leaving the UK, and no matter what Hunt or Johnson says they cannot stop us from leaving as 1 of 2 signatories of the act of union we are not Catalonia if they refuse another referendum then come the general election we will campaign on the grounds of winning a simple majority of seats 30+ and we will dissolve the union negating a referendum, the polls have SNP winning 53 - 59 of the 59 seats in Scotland and polls showing a majority for Independence, along with the Scottish greens we already have a mandate to hold a referendum, the UK government refuses to release the result of there own poll.

If SNP MP's were to put a bill rescinding the 1707 act of union before parliament it would be defeated by over five-hundred votes. If the SNP were to regain a majority in the Scottish Parliament and put a bill rescinding the 1707 act of union it would be illegal since it's not within the powers devolved to the Scottish Parliament. What you're proposing has no legal basis in law and would result in the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament and the arrest of much of the SNP's leadership.

Personally, I disagree with the current British government's unwillingness to consider a second referendum on the question of Scottish Independence. I tend to think that a second defeat would actually settle the question for twenty years at least. However, I think it's understandable given the clusterfuck that they've created for themselves.

it does not work like that if the SNP campaign on Independence in the next general election and win over 30 seats the UK won't have a leg to stand on there is the fact that Claim of Right is enshrined into Scottish politics even Westminster recognises the people of Scotland are sovereign, as one of 2 signatories we don't need London's consent that is a courtesy as we believe the UK has broken the act of Union via EVEL, Scottish government has already received advice from Scotland's highest law lord and UK law cannot supersede Scots law if UK law does over rule Scots law the UK ceases to exist

we won't lose a 2nd vote that is why UK government is afraid to issue one, the rUK better start looking for a new nuclear base for Trident

Don't you just love idiots who get their ideas about UK Constitutional Law....from Twitter & Facebook.

[clivestonehouse1]

Scotland losing Trident doesn't bother me.
Devonport is the only other nuclear licenced base in the country so would ensure my job right up until retirement.
What to do with the toys at Coulport may be a bit more tricky though, no DM site in England has or would be likely to gain the licence.

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