The thing is that all of this is only for numbers of a hundred or so. The RFA would 'only' have to gain 1,000 extra people and this would be solved. In the scale of things, 1k is nothing. Even worse, If your in a situation for an organisation as big as the RN/MOD/UKPLC/the whole 68+million brits, and you struggle to find the than 100 people, then you know you have very big problems ahead.Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 12:33If the RFA headcount issues can’t be resolved by 2032 they never will be.donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 12:31 Here I assume the 2nd hull’s crew comes from disbanding Argus.
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Just skilled naval people is more needed in business word, and MOD is not providing good enough pay.new guy wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 17:09The thing is that all of this is only for numbers of a hundred or so. The RFA would 'only' have to gain 1,000 extra people and this would be solved. In the scale of things, 1k is nothing. Even worse, If your in a situation for an organisation as big as the RN/MOD/UKPLC/the whole 68+million brits, and you struggle to find the than 100 people, then you know you have very big problems ahead.Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 12:33If the RFA headcount issues can’t be resolved by 2032 they never will be.donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 12:31 Here I assume the 2nd hull’s crew comes from disbanding Argus.
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A thousand people will cost nearly £100 million a year.new guy wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 17:09 In the scale of things, 1k is nothing.
That's a lot of money, and at the same time nothing compared to what the MOD pisses away.
Not by a long way! Especially in technical roles where an engineer will earn double in the private sector, plus more time at home, plus greater progression, plus no chance of going to war.
The Navy/MOD can't compete for talent.
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If it is nearly £100m a year, then the MoD spends 30bn a year on personnel, which I think is probably much less.shark bait wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 23:40A thousand people will cost nearly £100 million a year.new guy wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 17:09 In the scale of things, 1k is nothing.
That's a lot of money, and at the same time nothing compared to what the MOD pisses away.
Not by a long way! Especially in technical roles where an engineer will earn double in the private sector, plus more time at home, plus greater progression, plus no chance of going to war.
The Navy/MOD can't compete for talent.
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That’s the RFA recruitment and retention issue solved!
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The workshare for Cadiz looks very generous and as expected Appledore gets the Bow section. Good news!
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Nice video, I like the details on what will be built where;
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So whats that about 60% built in Spain?
I cant remember what the original split was.
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Should've been planned to be built entirely in the UK. The Spanish can't even build holiday villas or hotel rooms well...
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Great image but remember he said from ship two bottom of the middle section will be built by H&W as well
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I think it's good, and there will be slightly more for the Belfast on ship 2.
It's pretty much setting up a shipyard from scratch, so trusting them with even more would sound foolish.
It's pretty much setting up a shipyard from scratch, so trusting them with even more would sound foolish.
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Agreed.shark bait wrote: ↑13 Sep 2023, 11:06 I think it's good, and there will be slightly more for the Belfast on ship 2.
It's pretty much setting up a shipyard from scratch, so trusting them with even more would sound foolish.
The priority is to have a fully functional shipyard at the completion of FSS. The skills transfer from Navantia will be extremely useful.
Also helps to keep a clear sense of perspective over Gibraltar.
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FSSS. Crew size 101. This is the most significant point for me.
For Vic needs 134 souls, to my understanding.
For Vic needs 134 souls, to my understanding.
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It looks good. Once the assembly and integration are included it's probably 60% UK over the course of the contract, and frankly you wouldn't want to try for anything more, it would be asking for trouble.
If Team Resolute pull this off and at the end of the contract there's a fully functioning shipyard in Belfast capable of building ships that big - who knows, why not get back into cruise liners, they already service them. Start of a beautiful friendship
If Team Resolute pull this off and at the end of the contract there's a fully functioning shipyard in Belfast capable of building ships that big - who knows, why not get back into cruise liners, they already service them. Start of a beautiful friendship
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Completely agree.SD67 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2023, 13:44 It looks good. Once the assembly and integration are included it's probably 60% UK over the course of the contract, and frankly you wouldn't want to try for anything more, it would be asking for trouble.
If Team Resolute pull this off and at the end of the contract there's a fully functioning shipyard in Belfast capable of building ships that big - who knows, why not get back into cruise liners, they already service them. Start of a beautiful friendship
The UK needs a big, well diversified commercial yard. Rosyth and Govan aren’t really suitable and it could have been Cammell Laird but Belfast got the nod.
H&W must make it work now. I don’t think they will get another chance like this.
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Personally I think we are really fortunate that a world class operator like Navntia is serious about partnering with UK shipbuilding. Obviously they're not doing it out of charity, but they seem to be making all the right noises. My only worry is how their people will handle the weather - suspect it may be more a case of H&W people sent to Cadiz LOL
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Looks like all 3 hulls’ stern sections are to be built at Spain?SD67 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2023, 13:44 It looks good. Once the assembly and integration are included it's probably 60% UK over the course of the contract, and frankly you wouldn't want to try for anything more, it would be asking for trouble.
If Team Resolute pull this off and at the end of the contract there's a fully functioning shipyard in Belfast capable of building ships that big - who knows, why not get back into cruise liners, they already service them. Start of a beautiful friendship
Then, Belfast gains zero experience on engine, intake-exhausts, shafts, ladders, bridges, all the heart of a “ship”.
Long road to go through, to get to be able get full ship order?
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fitting out?donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑13 Sep 2023, 22:24Looks like all 3 hulls’ stern sections are to be built at Spain?SD67 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2023, 13:44 It looks good. Once the assembly and integration are included it's probably 60% UK over the course of the contract, and frankly you wouldn't want to try for anything more, it would be asking for trouble.
If Team Resolute pull this off and at the end of the contract there's a fully functioning shipyard in Belfast capable of building ships that big - who knows, why not get back into cruise liners, they already service them. Start of a beautiful friendship
Then, Belfast gains zero experience on engine, intake-exhausts, shafts, ladders, bridges, all the heart of a “ship”.
Long road to go through, to get to be able get full ship order?