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The most clearly shown photo of the "mushroom farm" (SeaCeptor VLS) for 20 CAMM missiles, of HMNZS Te Kaha. Better to have slightly better resolution, but clearly showing its orientation.

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donald_of_tokyo wrote:The most clearly shown photo of the "mushroom farm" (SeaCeptor VLS) for 20 CAMM missiles, of HMNZS Te Kaha. Better to have slightly better resolution, but clearly showing its orientation.

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Yah beat me to it... I posted this on some other website on the interwebs... clearly shows 20 missiles silo's... (but there is probably no missiles in them lol) and also shows the CIWS reinstalled as some people were saying that it wasn't going to be...

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New Zealand could join AUKUS security pact to boost cyber technologies
https://amp.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... ssion=true

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unfortunately would not be exactly what the Irish Navy really wants (a limited Mine Warfare capability alongside the Patrol aspect)
Our sales brochure has little-used tupperware in it. Then again, I hear that the Irish Sea is quite rough (not quite like the Southern Ocean, though), so they too might roll around like pigs?
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HMNZS Te Kaha & HMNZS Aotearoa RAS

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An interesting view on NZ national strategic struggles, currently reading not finished yet


https://wavellroom.com/2021/11/03/new-z ... -identity/

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R686 wrote:view on NZ national strategic struggles
Only gets to the point at the very end, bringing national identity into the picture => strategy and then defence & security posture flowing from there.

While it is v good, and quite rare, to look at the broad range of (all) alternatives - as the author of the linked article does - over-egging the point is also a counter-productive practice:
" Churchill and Roosevelt chose, at the three Washington conferences of WWII to pursue victory in Europe, defend India and assist China in WWII rather than defend Australia and New Zealand."
... I wonder where the US Marines (from NZ and Sydney) went; while the US Army was being (re)created, to do the island hopping in that part of the Pacific

https://world-war-2.wikia.org/wiki/Isla ... opping.jpg
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:https://world-war-2.wikia.org/wiki/Isla ... opping.jpg
You may(?) wonder about the backwards pointing arrows the two, on that?

Well, NZ would not have approved of Saipan/Guam as Tinian there is the island which is where the Enola Gay took off from.
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ArmChairCivvy wrote: Only gets to the point at the very end, bringing national identity into the picture => strategy and then defence & security posture flowing from there.

While he does go on a bit... he needs too he has a whole series of podcasts and articles about the subject.
ArmChairCivvy wrote: While it is v good, and quite rare, to look at the broad range of (all) alternatives - as the author of the linked article does - over-egging the point is also a counter-productive practice:
" Churchill and Roosevelt chose, at the three Washington conferences of WWII to pursue victory in Europe, defend India and assist China in WWII rather than defend Australia and New Zealand."
A little bit of history lessons can go a long way... while over simplified a little bit, when you add in the other examples and a few others he didn't mention... the point is quiet clear...

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Very impressive.


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On 11 November 2021, the Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) reported that NH90-TTH with serial NZ3302 (construction number 1206) reach 2,000 flying hours. With this milestone, the RNZAF NH90 is the first in the world of this type to reach this number of flying hours.

The RNZAF operates nine NH90-TTHs with 3 Squadron Kimihia Ka Patu ('Seek and Destroy') at RNZAF Base Ohakea, located 140 km north of Wellington, the capital city of New Zealand.

[img]"https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/202 ... rs_640.jpg[/img]

In 2007, New Zealand ordered the NH90-TTH (Tactical Transport Helicopter) as a replacement of the Bell UH-1H Iroquois. Deliveries started in 2012 with the two helicopters arriving at Ohakea and on 1 July 2015 all official duties from the UH-1H were taken over. The NH90s are used for various helicopter operations such as disaster relief, counter-terrorism, battlefield support and search and rescue.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/m ... rnzaf-nh90
To be fair it's serial construction number 1206 ... and it is the first in the world to reach 2000 flying hours... it means the NH-90's are over worked and we don't have enough air frames to spread the work load out over the entire fleet. No something to be proud of really.

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NighthawkNZ wrote:
On 11 November 2021, the Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) reported that NH90-TTH with serial NZ3302 (construction number 1206) reach 2,000 flying hours. With this milestone, the RNZAF NH90 is the first in the world of this type to reach this number of flying hours.

The RNZAF operates nine NH90-TTHs with 3 Squadron Kimihia Ka Patu ('Seek and Destroy') at RNZAF Base Ohakea, located 140 km north of Wellington, the capital city of New Zealand.

[img]"https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/202 ... rs_640.jpg[/img]

In 2007, New Zealand ordered the NH90-TTH (Tactical Transport Helicopter) as a replacement of the Bell UH-1H Iroquois. Deliveries started in 2012 with the two helicopters arriving at Ohakea and on 1 July 2015 all official duties from the UH-1H were taken over. The NH90s are used for various helicopter operations such as disaster relief, counter-terrorism, battlefield support and search and rescue.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/m ... rnzaf-nh90
To be fair it's serial construction number 1206 ... and it is the first in the world to reach 2000 flying hours... it means the NH-90's are over worked and we don't have enough air frames to spread the work load out over the entire fleet. No something to be proud of really.

out of curiosity what is the safe maximum fly hours for NH-90, its not in the flashy brochure

https://www.airbus.com/en/products-serv ... nformation

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R686 wrote:
NighthawkNZ wrote:
On 11 November 2021, the Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) reported that NH90-TTH with serial NZ3302 (construction number 1206) reach 2,000 flying hours. With this milestone, the RNZAF NH90 is the first in the world of this type to reach this number of flying hours.

The RNZAF operates nine NH90-TTHs with 3 Squadron Kimihia Ka Patu ('Seek and Destroy') at RNZAF Base Ohakea, located 140 km north of Wellington, the capital city of New Zealand.

[img]"https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/202 ... rs_640.jpg[/img]

In 2007, New Zealand ordered the NH90-TTH (Tactical Transport Helicopter) as a replacement of the Bell UH-1H Iroquois. Deliveries started in 2012 with the two helicopters arriving at Ohakea and on 1 July 2015 all official duties from the UH-1H were taken over. The NH90s are used for various helicopter operations such as disaster relief, counter-terrorism, battlefield support and search and rescue.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/m ... rnzaf-nh90
To be fair it's serial construction number 1206 ... and it is the first in the world to reach 2000 flying hours... it means the NH-90's are over worked and we don't have enough air frames to spread the work load out over the entire fleet. No something to be proud of really.

out of curiosity what is the safe maximum fly hours for NH-90, its not in the flashy brochure

https://www.airbus.com/en/products-serv ... nformation
Provided you maintain the airworthiness of the helicopter as per the OEMs guidelines then until they stop making bits for it.

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SW1 wrote:
R686 wrote:
NighthawkNZ wrote:
On 11 November 2021, the Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) reported that NH90-TTH with serial NZ3302 (construction number 1206) reach 2,000 flying hours. With this milestone, the RNZAF NH90 is the first in the world of this type to reach this number of flying hours.

The RNZAF operates nine NH90-TTHs with 3 Squadron Kimihia Ka Patu ('Seek and Destroy') at RNZAF Base Ohakea, located 140 km north of Wellington, the capital city of New Zealand.

[img]"https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/202 ... rs_640.jpg[/img]

In 2007, New Zealand ordered the NH90-TTH (Tactical Transport Helicopter) as a replacement of the Bell UH-1H Iroquois. Deliveries started in 2012 with the two helicopters arriving at Ohakea and on 1 July 2015 all official duties from the UH-1H were taken over. The NH90s are used for various helicopter operations such as disaster relief, counter-terrorism, battlefield support and search and rescue.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/m ... rnzaf-nh90
To be fair it's serial construction number 1206 ... and it is the first in the world to reach 2000 flying hours... it means the NH-90's are over worked and we don't have enough air frames to spread the work load out over the entire fleet. No something to be proud of really.

out of curiosity what is the safe maximum fly hours for NH-90, its not in the flashy brochure

https://www.airbus.com/en/products-serv ... nformation
Provided you maintain the airworthiness of the helicopter as per the OEMs guidelines then until they stop making bits for it.

Ahh, thought the airframe it self would have a maximum number of flying hours similar to normal aircraft like from memory the classic F18 had 6000 hours or something like that

but i did a quick calculation the aircraft was delivered 6 Dec 2011 coming up on its tenth birthday in the RNZAF 2000hrs over ten years minus weekends would give an average of 1.2 flight hours per day, dont think its that bad for useage

https://www.helis.com/database/cn/27589/

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R686 wrote:
SW1 wrote:
R686 wrote:
NighthawkNZ wrote:
On 11 November 2021, the Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) reported that NH90-TTH with serial NZ3302 (construction number 1206) reach 2,000 flying hours. With this milestone, the RNZAF NH90 is the first in the world of this type to reach this number of flying hours.

The RNZAF operates nine NH90-TTHs with 3 Squadron Kimihia Ka Patu ('Seek and Destroy') at RNZAF Base Ohakea, located 140 km north of Wellington, the capital city of New Zealand.

[img]"https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/202 ... rs_640.jpg[/img]

In 2007, New Zealand ordered the NH90-TTH (Tactical Transport Helicopter) as a replacement of the Bell UH-1H Iroquois. Deliveries started in 2012 with the two helicopters arriving at Ohakea and on 1 July 2015 all official duties from the UH-1H were taken over. The NH90s are used for various helicopter operations such as disaster relief, counter-terrorism, battlefield support and search and rescue.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/m ... rnzaf-nh90
To be fair it's serial construction number 1206 ... and it is the first in the world to reach 2000 flying hours... it means the NH-90's are over worked and we don't have enough air frames to spread the work load out over the entire fleet. No something to be proud of really.

out of curiosity what is the safe maximum fly hours for NH-90, its not in the flashy brochure

https://www.airbus.com/en/products-serv ... nformation
Provided you maintain the airworthiness of the helicopter as per the OEMs guidelines then until they stop making bits for it.

Ahh, thought the airframe it self would have a maximum number of flying hours similar to normal aircraft like from memory the classic F18 had 6000 hours or something like that

but i did a quick calculation the aircraft was delivered 6 Dec 2011 coming up on its tenth birthday in the RNZAF 2000hrs over ten years minus weekends would give an average of 1.2 flight hours per day, dont think its that bad for useage

https://www.helis.com/database/cn/27589/
Helicopters aren’t lifed in the same way they will have components that are like rotorhead ect that can be replaced as and when.

It’s similar with fixed wing you can extend them too by paying the oem to do the necessary work, problem with them can be difficulty in getting to bits that need replaced or the cost of it can mean it’s cheaper to buy new.

It’s usually the avionics that do for them in the end as there long since out of production.

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NighthawkNZ wrote: To be fair it's serial construction number 1206 ... and it is the first in the world to reach 2000 flying hours
Some earlier customers got like 5 yrs of free maintenance ( as there were always niggles in many of the NH90s making up the fleet)
... but the flight hrs were correspondingly low. So enough availability for civic duties, but over those years not nearly enough for 'the real thing'
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Both NZ Police and the NZDF are off to the Soloman Islands to help keep the peace after the riots. Soloman Islands switched from recognising Taiwan to the CCP. A saller team of 15 will be quickily deployed followed by the main group of 50 over the coming weekend.
New Zealand forces deployed to Solomon Islands

The New Zealand government is deploying dozens of Defence Force and police personnel to Honiara in the coming days, "to help restore peace and stability".

Since rioting and looting started in the Solomon Islands last week, Australia, Fiji and Papua New Guinea have sent troops to help keep the peace there.

An initial NZDF team of 15 will joint them tomorrow, followed by a larger group of 50 at the weekend.

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the response is short-term and to help restore peace and stability.

"New Zealand is committed to its responsibilities and playing its part in upholding regional security," she said in a statement.

"We are deeply concerned by the recent civil unrest and rioting in Honiara, and following yesterday's request of the Solomon Islands government, we have moved quickly to provide urgent assistance.

"Every deployment brings its risks and challenges, but our people have vast experience in the Pacific region and are amongst some of the most highly skilled when it comes to deescalating conflict," Ardern said.

Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta said New Zealand had a deep and long-standing relationship with the Solomon Islands.

"New Zealand will send a deployment of New Zealand Defence Force and New Zealand Police to Solomon Islands in the coming days. This is a short-term, immediate response and we will continue to monitor the situation," Mahuta said in a statement.

Samoan police are also on standby to send personnel to assist peacekeeping forces.

The unrest stemmed from a protest calling for the removal of Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare and left major destruction in the capital.

All New Zealand personnel deploying to Solomon Islands are required to be double vaccinated, have had a negative Covid-19 test before departure and adhere to Solomon Islands Covid-19 testing protocols. They will complete managed isolation on their return.

The New Zealand High Commission in Honiara is providing SafeTravel advice to New Zealanders in Solomon Islands, including that they should follow the instructions and advice of local authorities and exercise care.
http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/worl ... on-islands

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New Zealand has deployed a navy ship to the Solomon Islands to help peacekeeping efforts after political unrest in the capital, Honiara.

The decision to deploy the HMNZS Wellington to the mission was not formally announced by the Government or the Defence Force.

The armed offshore patrol vessel left the Devonport Naval Base in Auckland just before 7.30pm on Monday with a crew of 80 and a Seasprite helicopter on board.

A Defence Force spokesman said it would arrive in the waters of the Solomons later in the week, where it would take over patrolling from an Australian ship.

The ship recently returned from fisheries patrols in the Pacific.

It would conduct maritime security patrols around the islands of Guadalcanal for a mission taking up to a month, the spokesman said.

“HMNZS Wellington will provide reassurance to Solomon Islands people by providing a visible maritime patrol presence and also, if requested by Solomon Islands authorities, will be able to assist with embarking Royal Solomon Islands Police Force or other partner nations’ authorised personnel to conduct boarding and inspections of suspicious vessels,” the spokesman said.
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There were fears of renewed violence on Monday in Honiara as the country's embattled prime minister, Manasseh Sogavare, who requested international assistance for his government, survived a vote of no confidence brought by the opposition.

However, New Zealand police officers on the ground reported a sense of calm in Honiara.
The first Defence Force personnel from New Zealand arrived in the capital city on Thursday, several days after the arrival of troops and officers from Australia, Papua New Guinea and Fiji, and days after the worst of the violence had receded.

During the height of the unrest in the last week of November, police arrested more than 100 people and pulled three bodies from a burned-out building.

Sogavare has been widely criticised by political leaders for a decision two years ago to cut diplomatic ties with Taiwan, favouring mainland China.

AP reported the unrest began from a peaceful protest driven by economic issues, the country’s increasing links to mainland China, and internal regional rivalries.

Stuff has sought comment from Sogavare.
http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/5530-new- ... on-islands

This snuck under the radar...

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On a lighter note HMNZS Te Mana was spotted in Seattle



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NighthawkNZ wrote: 12 Dec 2021, 17:15 On a lighter note HMNZS Te Mana was spotted in Seattle
Beautiful photo!

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From RNZN facebook site. Can clearly see the 20 CAMM mushrooms covering the then 16-cell equivalent surface (although only 8 was there).

To my understanding, CAMM penetrates only one deck, relieving another whole deck. Even so, I think the mushroom launchers shall better be more dense....

Are there any info on RNZN launching CAMM? I think not yet. Historically, I understand not many missile ammunition was purchased for RNZN, one of the shortfall of the Navy. As such, only 20 CAMM may not be too bad, if all tubes are filled.

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HMNZS Te Kaha and HMNZS Aotearoa - Stores Transfer

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_NZDF/comme ... _the_year/

Shows the 20 Camm mushroom tubes... as to if they actually have them loaded or not... can neither confirm nor deny... lol

I believe they went with the mushroom farm as cheapr on the maintenance, less top weight over all, and probably cheaper to replace it then to integrate the Mk41-VLS.

There is talk of doing a test firing at RimPac... but at present that is all hearsay...

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New Zealand navy is heavily involved in Tonga Vulcanic activity support.

see
https://nzdf.mil.nz/nzdf/significant-pr ... -response/

Also HMNZS Wellington and Aotearoa are heading to Tonga now.

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Good to see. Do we know who else is sending ships?

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Lord Jim wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 17:07 Good to see. Do we know who else is sending ships?
I think I read Australia is positioning HMAS Adelaide is assist.
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