Australian Defence Force

[NickC]

Defense News Redback for Australia write up in Jan '21
"The Redback is also designed with ride comfort in mind, with rubber tracks and independent suspension in lieu of more common metal running gear and torsion bar suspension. Hanwha added that noise reduction measures has also meant it is possible to conduct conversations in the troop compartment, even when the vehicle is moving."

Makes you think of the noisy Ajax.

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it is being reported that the MRH-90 Taipan helicopters could be grounded permanently if mechanical failure is found to have caused the crash a few days ago

[Mercator]

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it is being reported that the MRH-90 Taipan helicopters could be grounded permanently if mechanical failure is found to have caused the crash a few days ago

Lotta beat-up old Blackhawks sitting around the US somewhere that could be leased for a year or two. And they only left service here a couple of years ago.

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it is being reported that the MRH-90 Taipan helicopters could be grounded permanently if mechanical failure is found to have caused the crash a few days ago

Lotta beat-up old Blackhawks sitting around the US somewhere that could be leased for a year or two. And they only left service here a couple of years ago.

First of the new Blackhawks are set for Q4 this year, so might not be worth the effort.

But is a option I guess.

[serge750]

Are you guys getting the seahawk romeo version aswell ? cheers

[R686]

Are you guys getting the seahawk romeo version aswell ? cheers

We already have 24 with another 12 on order. prior to the Blackhawk buy

We have enough for a ASW carrier would really like to see a Japanese Izumo-class with both MH-60R/F35B with the Hyuga ASW fit out in RAN colours.

[RunningStrong]

There are reports that the German Lynx was supplied for testing with metal tracks and subsequent vibration issues caused several of the testers to become ill , sounds familiar

I think people are forgetting how horrible being in an AFV used to be...

[serge750]

Are you guys getting the seahawk romeo version aswell ? cheers

We already have 24 with another 12 on order. prior to the Blackhawk buy

We have enough for a ASW carrier would really like to see a Japanese Izumo-class with both MH-60R/F35B with the Hyuga ASW fit out in RAN colours.

Maybe fitting the canberra class with a F35B heat landing spot could be done as a crossdeck lillypad with the USMC etc F35b or QEC as a part of AUKUS deal as a first step towards operating you own fixed wing aircraft again... Invnicibles started with just 5 sea harriers for a while ....

[R686]

Are you guys getting the seahawk romeo version aswell ? cheers

We already have 24 with another 12 on order. prior to the Blackhawk buy

We have enough for a ASW carrier would really like to see a Japanese Izumo-class with both MH-60R/F35B with the Hyuga ASW fit out in RAN colours.

Maybe fitting the canberra class with a F35B heat landing spot could be done as a crossdeck lillypad with the USMC etc F35b or QEC as a part of AUKUS deal as a first step towards operating you own fixed wing aircraft again... Invnicibles started with just 5 sea harriers for a while ....

They have already sailed in a task group with a compliment of helicopters I think the longest was a 6 month deployment

My thinking was it a hot environment aUS carrier task group would want a ASW screen that could keep up with the task group and prose a pretty big screen around the task group with the Izumi class have a top speed in excess of 30knots unlike a Canberra class of around 20 knots

Izumho would have the large hull mounted sonar plus it’s own VLS system

Never going to happen but something the RAN needs

[Mercator]

[Mercator]

Don't know if this delivery timetable was always planned or whether some deal was engineered, but here they are:

[R686]

Don't know if this delivery timetable was always planned or whether some deal was engineered, but here they are:

I wonder how fast they are being built?

Expensive way to ship them over would have thought they would have sent them over a LHD and bring them back in one lot

But it is good that they are arriving and the advice sound a saving in the long run otherwise I doubt the ALP would have done it

[swoop]

I wonder how fast they are being built?

Expensive way to ship them over would have thought they would have sent them over a LHD and bring them back in one lot

I'd expect the first few to arrive this way to allow for integration, testing, acceptance trials, etc.
The rest would probably be shipped.

[Mercator]

"I wouldn't want to raise expectations around having the Black Hawks in service sooner, we are in the process of transitioning to Black Hawks pretty well as of now," the defence minister told reporters last week.

"But it is both a question of having the airframes come to Australia, but also a question of making sure that all the appropriate training and credentialling is done for those who operate the Black Hawks, so that that can be done in a safe way."

Last week's arrival of the initial two Black Hawks has surprised industry figures who believe the delivery appears to be "well ahead of schedule" for a $10 billion purchase which was only finalised this year.

I think the US probably just gave up a few delivery slots for us. Something like that.

[R686]

"I wouldn't want to raise expectations around having the Black Hawks in service sooner, we are in the process of transitioning to Black Hawks pretty well as of now," the defence minister told reporters last week.

"But it is both a question of having the airframes come to Australia, but also a question of making sure that all the appropriate training and credentialling is done for those who operate the Black Hawks, so that that can be done in a safe way."

Last week's arrival of the initial two Black Hawks has surprised industry figures who believe the delivery appears to be "well ahead of schedule" for a $10 billion purchase which was only finalised this year.

I think the US probably just gave up a few delivery slots for us. Something like that.

Agree,from memory the US put in its last orders in for aprox. 120 odd aircraft late 2022

They also from memory will be supported until the late 2040’s

[Mercator]

[R686]

Only if we lock them in for four ships with a contract that makes it too expensive to pull out of, unlike Anzac class.

[SouthernOne]

Only if we lock them in for four ships with a contract that makes it too expensive to pull out of, unlike Anzac class.

If the RAN wanted to go that way, the Constellation class might be a better fit. The USN will have already completed the integration of AEGIS, ESSM, SM-2, Nulka etc.

[Mercator]

yes, but then we are just straight up replacing the T-26. None of this corvette nonsense – just a better frigate. Hobart class, ver 2.0 becomes an option too. Quicker if we let the Spaniards do a couple. Of course, then they'd want to replace AEGIS with CEAFAR on either one of them and we go around again.

Ultimately though, that's how I'd square the circle. Let the OPVs be OPVs. Do the strap on SAM & SSMs if it makes you feel better, but otherwise don't mess with existing plans too much. Leave the T26 at a reasonable number but save money when you can – say six vessels. Improvements in the second batch as you can make them. and just undertake a parallel build of more Hobarts with CEAFAR or the newer AEGIS after a proper assessment of the displacement issues. If need be, do blocks or whole vessels in Spain. We know they can do that and it keeps costs relatively modest while still engaging all available Australian shipbuilding. (I think if we were being honest with ourselves, we could only do parts of a second frigate/corvette line). And the training burden is no higher than what we currently have at sea.

[Tempest414]

Only if we lock them in for four ships with a contract that makes it too expensive to pull out of, unlike Anzac class.

If the RAN wanted to go that way, the Constellation class might be a better fit. The USN will have already completed the integration of AEGIS, ESSM, SM-2, Nulka etc.

But given the job of a RAN GP Frigate the extra 3000 nmi range and 4 Knot extra speed of AH-140 must count for something

[Tempest414]

Only if we lock them in for four ships with a contract that makes it too expensive to pull out of, unlike Anzac class.

What the RAN want and what the RNZN need are someway apart maybe the better option would be that the RNZN went for a Type 31 and then joined the RAN in buying and maintaining weapon stocks

[new guy]

Only if we lock them in for four ships with a contract that makes it too expensive to pull out of, unlike Anzac class.

If the RAN wanted to go that way, the Constellation class might be a better fit. The USN will have already completed the integration of AEGIS, ESSM, SM-2, Nulka etc.

But given the job of a RAN GP Frigate the extra 3000 nmi range and 4 Knot extra speed of AH-140 must count for something

+ half the price, which is what maintains the right to convert from corvettes to this.

[inch]

Be a great delayed victory for Denmark if a few other countries chose their design and why not

[new guy]

Be a great delayed victory for Denmark if a few other countries chose their design and why not

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[SouthernOne]

Only if we lock them in for four ships with a contract that makes it too expensive to pull out of, unlike Anzac class.

What the RAN want and what the RNZN need are someway apart maybe the better option would be that the RNZN went for a Type 31 and then joined the RAN in buying and maintaining weapon stocks

You only need to look at the respective NZ and Aus upgrades to their ANZAC class frigates to see how divergent their expectations are.