Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

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Which Anti-Ship Missile Should be Selected for the Type 26?

Lockheed Martin LRASM
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52%
Kongsberg NSM
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25%
Boeing Harpoon Next Gen
44
14%
MBDA Exocet Blk III
21
7%
None (stick to guided ammo and FASGW from Helicopters)
8
3%
 
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I assume the Clyde isn't deep enough to submerge the barge and the frigate next to the shipyard.

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IN the water.....

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We may only get eight but the fact that they have such good lines sort of compensates for it.

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Looking forward to seeing systems installation on this beauty...

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HMS Glasgow - from Govan to Scotstoun

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A Destroyer if Ever there was one. Pitty they weren't designated Destroyers from the Start.

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These days the lines seem blurred between destroyers and frigates, even ships classed as destroyers are of the same weight as world war two cruisers if not pocket battle ships.

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AA escort and ASW escort and GP escort seem to be better description today.
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Had to be called "frigates" because that was what was promised to Scotland. Same for the Type 31s.

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The Japanese class of ASW Destroyers are slightly smaller I believe, albeit capable ships. Designated Destroyers from the start. But yes blurred lines, it would have been good to have 14 Destroyers again though, Inc T45. In my mind they're Destroyers.

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Digger22 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 10:04 The Japanese class of ASW Destroyers are slightly smaller I believe, albeit capable ships. Designated Destroyers from the start. But yes blurred lines, it would have been good to have 14 Destroyers again though, Inc T45. In my mind they're Destroyers.
While the lines have blurred between classes I would never use the Japanese as an example here, remember they designated the Izumo class as a destroyer just like the RN started out classing the invicsbles as through deck cruisers.

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Ron5 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 06:04 Had to be called "frigates" because that was what was promised to Scotland. Same for the Type 31s.
Missed Opportunity HMG could of upgraded them to destroyers and claimed Scotland got more than they were promised
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Tempest414 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 10:34
Ron5 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 06:04 Had to be called "frigates" because that was what was promised to Scotland. Same for the Type 31s.
Missed Opportunity HMG could of upgraded them to destroyers and claimed Scotland got more than they were promised
Wouldn't work, the NATs are already complaining that the promise was broken because it's two types of frigates not one type, they'd have even more to complain about if they could argue it was only 8 frigates not 13...

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Tempest414 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 10:34
Ron5 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 06:04 Had to be called "frigates" because that was what was promised to Scotland. Same for the Type 31s.
Missed Opportunity HMG could of upgraded them to destroyers and claimed Scotland got more than they were promised
Surely in RN speak, a destroyer is primarily an air defence ship and a frigate is either primarily for ASW or general purpose ?, this has been the case since the County destroyers and leander frigates of the 1960's

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dmereifield wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 13:59
Tempest414 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 10:34
Ron5 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 06:04 Had to be called "frigates" because that was what was promised to Scotland. Same for the Type 31s.
Missed Opportunity HMG could of upgraded them to destroyers and claimed Scotland got more than they were promised
Wouldn't work, the NATs are already complaining that the promise was broken because it's two types of frigates not one type, they'd have even more to complain about if they could argue it was only 8 frigates not 13...
If you watched the early part of the scot Affairs Cmtee the Def Sec attended earlier in the week the new angle the SNP are taking is that despite the generously priced 8xT26, overpriced River B2s and the 5x T31 that the Scottish people have been cheated out of the higher spending on 13xT26.

Noting the committee doesn't want to hear about bungled home built ferries and the continued purchase of foreign fisheries patrol and ferries by the Scottish Government.

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Missed it but I can imagine how it went

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tomuk wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 20:46
dmereifield wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 13:59
Tempest414 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 10:34
Ron5 wrote: 09 Dec 2022, 06:04 Had to be called "frigates" because that was what was promised to Scotland. Same for the Type 31s.
Missed Opportunity HMG could of upgraded them to destroyers and claimed Scotland got more than they were promised
Wouldn't work, the NATs are already complaining that the promise was broken because it's two types of frigates not one type, they'd have even more to complain about if they could argue it was only 8 frigates not 13...
If you watched the early part of the scot Affairs Cmtee the Def Sec attended earlier in the week the new angle the SNP are taking is that despite the generously priced 8xT26, overpriced River B2s and the 5x T31 that the Scottish people have been cheated out of the higher spending on 13xT26.

Noting the committee doesn't want to hear about bungled home built ferries and the continued purchase of foreign fisheries patrol and ferries by the Scottish Government.
Also not to mention 2 fleet carriers plus the dry docking of said carriers


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I think this is what the Canadian Type 26 will be using for point defence
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Jdam wrote: 21 Dec 2022, 15:30

I think this is what the Canadian Type 26 will be using for point defence
This was publicized as being done some years ago. Strange.

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Found the accompanying press release. Notice the date.

CAMM completes qualification trials from 3-cell ExLS launcher 
05th of April 2018
MBDA and Lockheed Martin have jointly completed qualification of MBDA’s Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM) from Lockheed Martin’s Extensible Launching System (ExLS) 3-Cell Stand Alone Launcher following a series of trials. 

ExLS is a low-cost alternative for integrating new missiles and munitions into naval surface combatants leveraging Lockheed Martin’s proven Mk 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS) design and electronics.  

The compact vertical launch 3-cell ExLS system is specifically designed for smaller naval platforms that are unable to accommodate the larger 8-cell MK 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS). ExLS has also been designed to fit inside the MK 41 launcher (ie ExLS Host), offering flexible, adaptable installation solutions for larger ships to achieve high combat mass within a small on-board footprint. 
MBDA’s CAMM is a highly compact missile that enables multiple weapons to be fitted in limited spaces. It is the most modern air defence missile of its class on the market and has recently complete
d a highly successful series of firings by the Royal Navy. When operated from ExLS or MK 41 VLSD, CAMM comes in a quad-pack arrangement which allows to store and fire 4 missiles from a single cell. These latest trials from 3-cell ExLS were successfully completed in the United Kingdom at the end of 2017. 

“The success of these trials is testament to the hard work and close co-operation of the MBDA and Lockheed Martin,” said Joe DePietro, Lockheed Martin vice president of small combatants and ship systems. “A launcher within a launcher, ExLS uses CAMM canistered munitions with its qualified launch electronics to cut integration costs by more than 50 percent. It is a mature design that when paired with CAMM offers a low-cost alternative for integrating new missiles and munitions into current and future surface combatants.” 

Paul Mead, Head of Business Development at MBDA, said: “These trials have further demonstrated the maturity, reliability and safety of the CAMM vertical launch system from both 3-cell ExLS and ExLS Host/MK 41 and follows the highly successful operational trials of CAMM by the Royal Navy in 2017. The pairing of CAMM with the 3-cell ExLS launcher is a natural choice, providing a flexible launcher solution available now for naval platforms to take advantage of the high performance air defence capabilities and compact size of CAMM with ExLS. Other MBDA weapon systems, compatible with ExLS, are planned for the future.” 

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It sometimes amazes what people think is an official source. Think Defence is an interesting website that's produced some great long-reads.

But it's a bloke in Stoke-on-Trent.
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An in-depth look at the Type 26 frigate design

(Navy Lookout) 31st December 2022
The Type 26 frigates being built for the Royal Navy are specialist submarine hunters but with a range of other capabilities. This video provides a primer on the overall warship design, its weapons, sensors and decoys.

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Great to see T26 work in progress.

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