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Timmymagic wrote: 13 Dec 2022, 17:18 We've seen this before...

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Whatever happened to Faradair?

Seemed to be a lot of noise a few years ago and then seemingly nothing. Don't believe they had any presence at this year's FIA and their social media has been dead since January.

Sadly not the first UK Aviation start-up to follow that trajectory.

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Jensy wrote: 14 Dec 2022, 14:15 Whatever happened to Faradair?

Seemed to be a lot of noise a few years ago and then seemingly nothing. Don't believe they had any presence at this year's FIA and their social media has been dead since January.

Sadly not the first UK Aviation start-up to follow that trajectory.
They're still around, they post on LinkedIN, attracting funding will be hard however..

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Timmymagic wrote: 14 Dec 2022, 15:23
Jensy wrote: 14 Dec 2022, 14:15 Whatever happened to Faradair?

Seemed to be a lot of noise a few years ago and then seemingly nothing. Don't believe they had any presence at this year's FIA and their social media has been dead since January.

Sadly not the first UK Aviation start-up to follow that trajectory.
They're still around, they post on LinkedIN, attracting funding will be hard however..
Quite so. It's a pity there isn't more funding available for small firms, particularly those who struggle to afford the professional grade communications and advocacy needed to get attention from govt.

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Jensy wrote: 14 Dec 2022, 16:22
Timmymagic wrote: 14 Dec 2022, 15:23
Jensy wrote: 14 Dec 2022, 14:15 Whatever happened to Faradair?

Seemed to be a lot of noise a few years ago and then seemingly nothing. Don't believe they had any presence at this year's FIA and their social media has been dead since January.

Sadly not the first UK Aviation start-up to follow that trajectory.
They're still around, they post on LinkedIN, attracting funding will be hard however..
Indeed. It's a pity there isn't more funding available for small firms, particularly those who struggle to afford the professional grade communications and advocacy needed to get attention from govt.
Near all this was lost in the shrieking but there was significant changes proposed in the Truss financial statement around removing paperwork burdens on small firms and about how much and over what period small companies could get investments and utilise things like the British business bank.

There is much we can learn here from US practices in this area

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SW1 wrote: 14 Dec 2022, 16:31 Near all this was lost in the shrieking but there was significant changes proposed in the Truss financial statement around removing paperwork burdens on small firms and about how much and over what period small companies could get investments and utilise things like the British business bank.

There is much we can learn here from US practices in this area
Indeed. We really don't live in nuanced times.

Even some sort of better means of putting together specialist Private Equity and prioritising promising SMEs would be an improvement, and relatively cheap for the treasury.

Looking at the piecemeal funding that Aeralis is getting, largely unconnected to their primary product offering, doesn't exactly fill one with hope.

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Just a fun KHM post, not seen this before, though I'm sure they've posted it many times. I can confirm nipper had moved from Rosyth to Aldershot to Gatwick. Merry Christmas to you all, I think next year will be his last few months on PWLS, hopefully he'll stay in the RN but his current mood, sadly, suggests not.
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PhillyJ wrote: 24 Dec 2022, 12:40 Just a fun KHM post, not seen this before, though I'm sure they've posted it many times. I can confirm nipper had moved from Rosyth to Aldershot to Gatwick. Merry Christmas to you all, I think next year will be his last few months on PWLS, hopefully he'll stay in the RN but his current mood, sadly, suggests not.
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How come he's not enjoying it?

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I think a lot of POW's crew will be a little down right now so it is important that she goes somewhere good straight into the new year
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Hopefully for the crew the RVL tests off u.s. coast will have re-organised for early 2023.... :thumbup:
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PhillyJ wrote: 24 Dec 2022, 12:40 I can confirm nipper had moved from Rosyth to Aldershot to Gatwick. Merry Christmas to you all, I think next year will be his last few months on PWLS, hopefully he'll stay in the RN but his current mood, sadly, suggests not.
Hope he sticks with it
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Sadly HMS PWLS sits in dry dock in Rosyth. The crew understandably must be pulling their hair out. This latest disaster comes on top of other mishaps that have caused the ship to be under going repairs for more days than it has been at sea. About to set sail for a visit to the US for major trials and a visit to New York it breaks again.

I hope that Nipper can get through this and continue in his service career and wish him all the best for his future.
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bobp wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 21:55 Sadly HMS PWLS sits in dry dock in Rosyth. The crew understandably must be pulling their hair out. This latest disaster comes on top of other mishaps that have caused the ship to be under going repairs for more days than it has been at sea. About to set sail for a visit to the US for major trials and a visit to New York it breaks again.

I hope that Nipper can get through this and continue in his service career and wish him all the best for his future.
I suppose (as obviously very frustrating for the ships company as it is), the ship is still in its infancy, on what will hopefully be a 50 year RN career.

It will be very interesting to watch them evolve, refits encompassing emerging technologies will dramatically effect how they are employed as the balance shifts from manned to unmanned.

I can see an angled deck being implemented, seems sensible with rolling vertical landings for the F35 being potentially the norm.

Perhaps also future fixed wing drones that employ STOL flight, that you don't particularly want running amok straight down the centerline of the flight deck if there's a problem!

I can also see ski jump being either reduced in angle, or perhaps deleted completely in years to come.

An alternative idea might be a ski jump that's reduced in size and hydraulically operated, to raise and lower perhaps....

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mrclark303 wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 11:37 Perhaps also future fixed wing drones that employ STOL flight, that you don't particularly want running amok straight down the centerline of the flight deck if there's a problem!
Well, there are other types of drones that could be used in the future like, for example, V-247 Vigilant, a tiltrotor UAV which Bell is intending to offer to USMC.

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If RN and FAA ever consider something like V-260 Valor, this UAV could be a good choice too. And they would not require long flight deck for either takeoff or landing.
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bobp wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 21:55 Sadly HMS PWLS sits in dry dock in Rosyth. The crew understandably must be pulling their hair out. This latest disaster comes on top of other mishaps that have caused the ship to be under going repairs for more days than it has been at sea. About to set sail for a visit to the US for major trials and a visit to New York it breaks again.

I hope that Nipper can get through this and continue in his service career and wish him all the best for his future.
Weren't you extolling what a great skill to learn checking passports was? That is what he is doing now.

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downsizer wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 15:44
bobp wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 21:55 Sadly HMS PWLS sits in dry dock in Rosyth. The crew understandably must be pulling their hair out. This latest disaster comes on top of other mishaps that have caused the ship to be under going repairs for more days than it has been at sea. About to set sail for a visit to the US for major trials and a visit to New York it breaks again.

I hope that Nipper can get through this and continue in his service career and wish him all the best for his future.
Weren't you extolling what a great skill to learn checking passports was? That is what he is doing now.
If the “nipper” does jump ship least he can get a job at UK customs now he has been trained
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topman wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 09:18
PhillyJ wrote: 24 Dec 2022, 12:40 Just a fun KHM post, not seen this before, though I'm sure they've posted it many times. I can confirm nipper had moved from Rosyth to Aldershot to Gatwick. Merry Christmas to you all, I think next year will be his last few months on PWLS, hopefully he'll stay in the RN but his current mood, sadly, suggests not.
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How come he's not enjoying it?
sadly due to the various issues PWLS has had in the time he has been on board, coupled with catching up with shipmates from his phase 1 & 2 training and hearing where they have been on their ships.

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R686 wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 19:23
downsizer wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 15:44
bobp wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 21:55 Sadly HMS PWLS sits in dry dock in Rosyth. The crew understandably must be pulling their hair out. This latest disaster comes on top of other mishaps that have caused the ship to be under going repairs for more days than it has been at sea. About to set sail for a visit to the US for major trials and a visit to New York it breaks again.

I hope that Nipper can get through this and continue in his service career and wish him all the best for his future.
Weren't you extolling what a great skill to learn checking passports was? That is what he is doing now.
If the “nipper” does jump ship least he can get a job at UK customs now he has been trained
it was something he mentioned, although they are not fully trained and only maning the e-gates he says everyone is genuinely happy to see them there. I imagine this would change if they were normal border force personnel though.

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bobp wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 21:55 Sadly HMS PWLS sits in dry dock in Rosyth. The crew understandably must be pulling their hair out. This latest disaster comes on top of other mishaps that have caused the ship to be under going repairs for more days than it has been at sea. About to set sail for a visit to the US for major trials and a visit to New York it breaks again.

I hope that Nipper can get through this and continue in his service career and wish him all the best for his future.
indeed, although I believe he will have to leave PWLS as he has already been extended twice on her at their request. I think there is a limit as to how many times that can happen.

As he has got married quarters with his partner, I've also explained what a benefit that is and something to take into account when considering his future.
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PhillyJ wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 22:04
topman wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 09:18
PhillyJ wrote: 24 Dec 2022, 12:40 Just a fun KHM post, not seen this before, though I'm sure they've posted it many times. I can confirm nipper had moved from Rosyth to Aldershot to Gatwick. Merry Christmas to you all, I think next year will be his last few months on PWLS, hopefully he'll stay in the RN but his current mood, sadly, suggests not.
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How come he's not enjoying it?
sadly due to the various issues PWLS has had in the time he has been on board, coupled with catching up with shipmates from his phase 1 & 2 training and hearing where they have been on their ships.
I think most serving have been there at some point.
I don't follow the navy way of posting people about, is he due a posting soon?
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PhillyJ wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 22:04
topman wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 09:18
PhillyJ wrote: 24 Dec 2022, 12:40 Just a fun KHM post, not seen this before, though I'm sure they've posted it many times. I can confirm nipper had moved from Rosyth to Aldershot to Gatwick. Merry Christmas to you all, I think next year will be his last few months on PWLS, hopefully he'll stay in the RN but his current mood, sadly, suggests not.
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How come he's not enjoying it?
sadly due to the various issues PWLS has had in the time he has been on board, coupled with catching up with shipmates from his phase 1 & 2 training and hearing where they have been on their ships.
Thousands of people have been unhappy when they have had draft chits they didn't like. When you ljoin the forces you go where you are required, not where you want go. In other words take the rough with the smooth.
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sol wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 15:36
mrclark303 wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 11:37 Perhaps also future fixed wing drones that employ STOL flight, that you don't particularly want running amok straight down the centerline of the flight deck if there's a problem!
Well, there are other types of drones that could be used in the future like, for example, V-247 Vigilant, a tiltrotor UAV which Bell is intending to offer to USMC.

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/v ... y-warships

If RN and FAA ever consider something like V-260 Valor, this UAV could be a good choice too. And they would not require long flight deck for either takeoff or landing.
As much as i would like to see V-280 for the Navy do we really think we will would see it or its drone as HMG would be pushing a home grown option

Plus if Predator B can be made STOL with a wing kit then a buy of an extra 15 on top of the 20 hoped for in the RAF to make a joint RN-RAF force with say 35 Predators and 4 front line squadrons 2 of each would not be a bad out come

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topman wrote: 28 Dec 2022, 07:05
PhillyJ wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 22:04
topman wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 09:18
PhillyJ wrote: 24 Dec 2022, 12:40 Just a fun KHM post, not seen this before, though I'm sure they've posted it many times. I can confirm nipper had moved from Rosyth to Aldershot to Gatwick. Merry Christmas to you all, I think next year will be his last few months on PWLS, hopefully he'll stay in the RN but his current mood, sadly, suggests not.
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How come he's not enjoying it?
sadly due to the various issues PWLS has had in the time he has been on board, coupled with catching up with shipmates from his phase 1 & 2 training and hearing where they have been on their ships.
I think most serving have been there at some point.
I don't follow the navy way of posting people about, is he due a posting soon?
I think it's every 2 years that you can get moved on, not entirely sure.

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jonas wrote: 28 Dec 2022, 08:36
PhillyJ wrote: 27 Dec 2022, 22:04
topman wrote: 26 Dec 2022, 09:18
PhillyJ wrote: 24 Dec 2022, 12:40 Just a fun KHM post, not seen this before, though I'm sure they've posted it many times. I can confirm nipper had moved from Rosyth to Aldershot to Gatwick. Merry Christmas to you all, I think next year will be his last few months on PWLS, hopefully he'll stay in the RN but his current mood, sadly, suggests not.
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How come he's not enjoying it?
sadly due to the various issues PWLS has had in the time he has been on board, coupled with catching up with shipmates from his phase 1 & 2 training and hearing where they have been on their ships.
Thousands of people have been unhappy when they have had draft chits they didn't like. When you ljoin the forces you go where you are required, not where you want go. In other words take the rough with the smooth.
He gets that, he was extremely happy and proud to be sent to PWLS as his first ship and didn't have a problem with being asked to stay on her when they required him to, so he did like where they sent him.

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Tempest414 wrote: 28 Dec 2022, 09:07 As much as i would like to see V-280 for the Navy do we really think we will would see it or its drone as HMG would be pushing a home grown option
Well, even tho OSD of Merlin is pushed to 2040, sooner or later FAA will need to think about its replacement and aircrafts like V-22 or V-280 could be a viable option for that, and its drone version could also be considered. I don't see UK replacing Merlin with domestically build solution, at least not now. But who knows.
Tempest414 wrote: 28 Dec 2022, 09:07 Plus if Predator B can be made STOL with a wing kit then a buy of an extra 15 on top of the 20 hoped for in the RAF to make a joint RN-RAF force with say 35 Predators and 4 front line squadrons 2 of each would not be a bad out come
I was commenting on the post that QE could need structural changes to be able to operate drones, or to be more precise, to enable their safe landing. So I was pointing of other possible solution which could be less costly than rebuilding the ship itself, like titltrotor drones. Of course if navy version of Protector could be safely operated from QE than it would be a logical choice considering that RAF is already using it.

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