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The numbers like that because they know there's an armed attack threat on the event... and they're embarrassed at the failure to prevent the last one, so they're pulling out all the stops.

Or, there's something dodgy going on and the numbers being pushed around are just an attempt at covering it up.

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Well, we saw about mobilisation (taking time) so you either have them or don't have them when they are needed. Combine that with sensitivities around active-duty soldiers 'occupying' Capitol.
- more serious is the threat being made look active in many spots... and then materialising in a selected one in a serious way
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People who undestand foreign policy say
"The president was trying to stage a coup. There was little chance of it happening, but there was enough chance that the former defense secretaries had to put out that letter, which was the final nail through that effort. They prevented the military from being involved in any coup attempt. But instead, Trump tried to incite it himself,” said Fiona Hill, Trump’s former top Russia adviser. “This could have turned into a full-blown coup had he had any of those key institutions following him. Just because it failed or didn’t succeed doesn’t mean it wasn’t real.”["]

in https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-cap ... -or-abroad

and those who used to advise on domestic policy:

"On Thursday afternoon, Joe Grogan, who was the top White House domestic policy adviser to Trump until May of last year, went as far as to tell The Daily Beast that “yesterday was the worst day for the Republican Party since Lincoln’s assassination.”

The former senior aide continued, “It was a disgrace and a tragedy…[Trump] had plenty of opportunities to off-ramp before this—and should have conceded before it came to this.” Grogan also didn’t exude confidence about certain former colleagues who are still advising the president during this crisis, bluntly describing some current aides surrounding Trump as “psycho.”
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SDL wrote:The numbers like that because they know there's an armed attack threat on the event... and they're embarrassed at the failure to prevent the last one, so they're pulling out all the stops.

Or, there's something dodgy going on and the numbers being pushed around are just an attempt at covering it up.
My fear isn't so much an armed attack on the innauguration because it was always going to be the case that the security for it was going to be fairly tight and now it's presumably going to be insanely tight. What I fear are attacks in cities across the US timed for before and during the innauguration.

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Was listening to the ex-N:o 2 from Homeland Sec Dept, now in Harvard Public Admin School,
and she was saying that (not necessarily her own ex-Dept) the waking up to de-platforming (not in the tech sense... Parler folks, take note) was now happening on a grand scale. And thus anything stupid the hard core MAGAs might do will v much work against their future recruitment efforts
- the exact opposite of what has been happening in the last couple of years
- throw a few into jail, in front of TV cameras... and don't let them out any time soon!
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The Daily Beast is second guessing prosecutors as to how they can make charges and convictions to stick:

"Bringing D.C. charges like murder, manslaughter, assault on a police officer will allow some legal defense against Trump’s ability to pardon the charges since some of them will arguably not be federal crimes but D.C. crimes. Like the ongoing investigations into Trump by the Manhattan district attorney and the New York state attorney general—cases which will survive any presidential pardons—well-constructed D.C. charges could also survive Trump’s abusive use of the federal pardon power.

But that survivability is not assured because even when criminal cases are brought under D.C. law, it is still the federal government prosecuting them. So this strategy—after likely being litigated all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court—might ultimately fail.

What will not fail, however, are pure local and state crimes brought by local and state prosecutors."
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Felony cases ... with 20 years in prison.
We (will) have strike bdes, these are strike forces rolling... now:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/12/poli ... index.html ... if this plays, for a change
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the guy that helped set up the event that was part of the chaos has said that he got 'inside help' from three Congress Members

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A bit of a copycat action then, but on a grand scale.

This is how the FT describes what happened in the German parliament, just two months ago


Guy Chazan NOVEMBER 20 2020


The populist Alternative for Germany is facing potential legal action after MPs from the party smuggled rightwing activists into parliament to protest at a new law allowing authorities to impose anti-coronavirus lockdowns.

The intrusion earlier this week sparked widespread outrage across the German political spectrum after videos on social media showed MPs being harangued and insulted by far-right activists in the corridors of the Bundestag.

Alexander Gauland, head of the AfD parliamentary group, was forced to apologise on Friday after MPs scheduled an emergency debate on the incident.

He acknowledged that the activists had entered parliament as guests of AfD MPs and had proceeded to “harass and accost” lawmakers
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Too many parallels with the above emerging:


NICHOLAS KATZBAN | NORTHJERSEY.COM
21 hours ago

UPDATE: Rep. Mikie Sherrill demands investigation into colleagues giving 'reconnaissance' tours of Capitol

Rep. Mikie Sherrill, during a live webcast Tuesday evening, said she witnessed some members of Congress leading people through the Capitol on Jan. 5 in what she termed a "reconnaissance for the next day," when insurrectionists took part in a deadly siege on the legislative branch.

During the Facebook Live, Sherrill, D-Montclair, addressed her constituents to explain why she voted for a resolution to ask Vice President Mike Pence to remove President Donald Trump from office by invoking the 25th Amendment.

The letter to investigate says
"“Many of the Members who signed this letter, including those of us who have served in the military and are trained to recognize suspicious activity, as well as various members of our staff, witnessed an extremely high number of outside groups in the complex on Tuesday, January 5,” reads the letter. "
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There's suggestion that the person that lead the 'recon tour' was Rep Lauren Boebert (R-CO),,, and she reportedly showed the people with her the escape routes and detailed maps of the building...

If this is accurate... her goose is burnt to a cinder... she's going to jail and for a LONG time. She's also the one that live tweeted where Pelosi was and where she was going... which she was specifically told not to do

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Perhaps our US cousins will, from now on feel able to celebrate on 5th November, their own version of Guy Fawkes ...... Laren Boebert Night! :mrgreen:

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Thought the pipe bombs directed at (though then defused) at both main parties building served as a tactical ploy to avert attention from what was happening in and around Capitol, there was still a high degree of symbolism - what the movement(s) behind the action stand for
= a different form from representative democracy, for governing
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Thru Reuters:
"Law professor John Eastman, next to U.S. President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, gestures as he speaks while Trump supporters gather ahead of his speech to contest the certification by the U.S. Congress of the results of the 2020 U.S. presidential election in Washington, U.S, January 6, 2021. REUTERS/Jim Bourg/File Photo
John Eastman, who joined Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on stage at the Jan. 6 rally, is being considered for a role on Trump’s defense team, the people said.

Giuliani, 76, who told the crowd they should engage in “trial by combat,” may lead the impeachment defense"

... or may be not
-because he may be dis-barred by fellow lawyers?
- because of the comments he has made, and may end up as a co-defendant (not in the Senate though)

The morally bankrupt Administration is suddenly trying to distance itself from the man:
"Report: 'Isolated And Angry' Trump Refuses To Pay Rudy Giuliani For Legal Work
The president is very unhappy with his personal attorney, The Washington Post reported.
By Ed Mazza, HuffPost US"
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a two days old headline in the WP
"By
Shayna Jacobs
Jan. 12, 2021 at 12:06 a.m. GMT
NEW YORK — The New York State Bar Association will consider expelling President Trump's personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, and a state lawmaker is seeking his disbarment after inflammatory comments during a rally preceding last week's deadly riot"
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SDL wrote:There's suggestion that the person that lead the 'recon tour' was Rep Lauren Boebert (R-CO),,, and she reportedly showed the people with her the escape routes and detailed maps of the building...

If this is accurate... her goose is burnt to a cinder... she's going to jail and for a LONG time. She's also the one that live tweeted where Pelosi was and where she was going... which she was specifically told not to do
She was also live-tweeting Speaker Pelosi's location from inside the chamber during the attack.

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Which, if she was the one to show the terrorists the escape routes and give them maps.... wasn't just a naïve attempt at showing the speaker is safe... but a call for the terrorists to go to where Pelosi would escape through to get her.

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SDL wrote:Which, if she was the one to show the terrorists the escape routes and give them maps.... wasn't just a naïve attempt at showing the speaker is safe... but a call for the terrorists to go to where Pelosi would escape through to get her.
She's one of those extreme right-wing, Q-Anon adjacent types, so that's pretty much the assumption you'd make if you just know anything about her never mind the tours she was apparently giving the day before or that she tweeted "This is 1776" on the morning of the attack.

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one thing i didn't know until yesterday was that group tours of the building were stopped months ago... which makes the tours on the 5th all the more suspicious

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Well, the 'investigate' letter emphasised that as 'suddenly' Covid concerns with visitors seemed to have evaporated - the rationale for the restrictions.
- so not only who invited & guided
- but also who authorised
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Here we have two accounts of what foreign policy achieved - and what not:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/15/poli ... index.html
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The one sensible policy that Trump (administration) had was not to bail out oil in the same way as the car industry (state rescue) was done previously, but rather use banks to hoard the claims over the physical assets (with funding assistance and deferred write-offs) and thus have them act as consolidators if and when the industry rose again.
- well and he-heh

That time is now ;) . Just in time for the inauguration...

Russia and KSA had this fleeting moment when they thought they could, together, kill shale. The moment has passed
- OPEC (i.e that cabal) predicts a strong increase in shale production
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Will be interesting to see, in light of these plans

"Pence is using Air Force Two amply in his final days.

He will travel to two military installations over the weekend: Naval Air Station Lemoore, in California, on Saturday for remarks on the Trump administration's foreign policy;

and Fort Drum, in New York, on Sunday for remarks to 10th Mountain Division soldiers recently returned from Afghanistan.

The extent of Trump's messaging on his foreign policy legacy came in the form of an emailed statement on Thursday declaring: "United States military troops in Afghanistan are at a 19-year low. Likewise, Iraq and Syria are also at the lowest point in many years. I will always be committed to stopping the endless wars. It has been a great honor to rebuild our military and support our brave men and women in uniform. $2.5 trillion invested, including in beautiful new equipment -- all made in the U.S.A."
The statement appeared to be a substitute for what would otherwise have been a tweet"
the quotes via CNN

So, it would seem that Iraq & Syria are an open chapter... no attempt to a statement, at all[?]
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Oh, well
Some people see what's coming
Some people trip them up (or don't wanna hear)
... "Some people live just for the fame
Some people live for the power, yeah
Some people live just to play the game"

January 3 report warns of thousands of belligerent rioters, incited by the President and joined by members of White supremacists and extremist groups, descending on the nation's capital with members of Congress the target of their anger, the paper { The WP, according to CNN] reported.

It included striking characterizations of Trump supporters seeming to prepare for intense combat on platforms frequented by White supremacists and members of the alt-right, calling for participants to bring firearms, gas masks, bulletproofs vests and other specialized equipment, the paper reported.
The intelligence report determined that the anticipated crowds, the calls for armament, proximity to the Capitol and promotion "by President Trump himself" could make it a dangerous situation, per the Post.
[...]
Two people familiar with the intelligence memo told the Post that the intelligence division's director, Jack Donohue, shared the report with all Capitol Police command staff. The intelligence report spurred the Capitol Police chief to pursue emergency activation of the National Guard and prompted the department to widen its perimeter barricades
[...]
The Post reports that the intelligence memo is not known to have been widely circulated with other branches of law enforcement, such as the FBI [who had a similar, internal :( report], or outside the Capitol Police force."

You (gotta) dig a little deeper.. I always loved music. As much as I have kept digging...
- whereas the cartoon character Donald has been trying to hit the golf ball out of the sand so many times by now that we can only see his orange tupee https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... g&usqp=CAU
Must be a sign of things to come - but keep digging deeper (the golf ball is still stuck in the sand)
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A failed would be meglomaniac does tend to “retreat to the bunker”. Perhaps he will really be looking for a UXB, rather than a golf ball! :mrgreen:

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Though Trump will 'fly away' there still the inauguration happening and I hope the Indira Gandhi and Anwar Sadat moments have been factored in - the latter type of threat more likely
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