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Liaoning aircraft carrier returns to sea after refit
China's Liaoning aircraft carrier returned to sea for trials on Monday following a maintenance and modification period which lasted over six months
https://www.navalnews.com/news/2019/01/ ... ter-refit/

China’s Tenth Type 052D Destroyer and Sixth Type 071 LPD Commissioned with the PLAN
Type 052D Destroyer "Hohhot" (呼和浩特 with pennant number 161) and Type 071 LPD "Wuzhishan" (五指山 with pennant number 987) both joined the PLAN South Sea Fleet on 12 January 2019
https://www.navalnews.com/news/2019/01/ ... -the-plan/

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Britain to sell China ‘unlimited’ amount of military radar equipment, technology
Special export licence approved in April, just weeks after British Prime Minister Theresa May visited Beijing
Move comes amid closer exchanges between top radar scientists from China, Britain
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2 Feb 2019
A British defence company has been given the green light to supply an unlimited quantity of goods to China’s military, including airborne radar technology likely to be used by the PLA Air Force.

US CHINA TRADE WAR

Although the supplier has not been named, the “open individual export licence” (OIEL) has been in place since April – two months after British Prime Minister Theresa May visited Beijing – according to information from Britain’s Department for International Trade.

Unlike previous deals involving British arms sales to China, which were capped by amount and value, under the new agreement the supplier can “export an unlimited quantity of goods”, including equipment, components, software and technology for military radar systems, the department said.

Its strategic export control database described the equipment covered by the licence as “target acquisition, weapon control and countermeasure systems” for “aircraft, helicopters and drones”.

China’s latest quantum radar won’t just track stealth bombers, but ballistic missiles in space too
“It’s potentially a big licence, and it does say the end user is the air force,” said Andrew Smith, a spokesman for the London-based NGO Campaign Against Arms Trade.

While open individual export licences usually remain valid for between five and 10 years, “the values are never published, so the figure could be very high”, Smith said.

But Britain is not the only European country that sells military equipment to China.

“Almost all the other big arms exporters do exactly the same,” Smith said.

The trade department declined to comment on the deal.


While Britain remains a close ally of the United States, the deal suggests London is prepared to deal with China despite the ongoing trade and strategic tussles between Beijing and Washington.

Li Bin, a senior fellow working jointly in the Nuclear Policy Programme and Asia Programme at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace at Tsinghua University in Beijing, said Britain was facing many challenges at home and abroad due to its pending departure from the European Union.

While many companies, including financial firms in London, are considering reallocating to mainland Europe, China last year doubled its direct investment in Britain to more than US$20 billion.

‘Prepare for war’, Xi Jinping tells military region that monitors South China Sea, Taiwan
Against that backdrop, Britain seemed keen to do more business with China, Li said.

And while Washington might not like the radar deal, it might not be able to stop it, he said.

Hugh Griffiths, one of Britain’s top radar scientists, was recognised by Beijing last month for his contribution to the advancement of Chinese radar technology. Photo: Dickson Lee
The export licence is not the only connection Britain has with China on radar systems.

Last month, Professor Hugh Griffiths, one of Britain’s top radar scientists and chairman of the Defence Science Expert Committee at the Ministry of Defence, was officially recognised by Beijing for his contribution to the advancement of Chinese radar technology.

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Wu Jianqi, chief designer of China’s first anti-stealth aircraft radar system, presented Griffiths with an “Outstanding Award for Chinese Radar International Development” in front of more than 700 Chinese scientists at a conference in Nanjing, capital of east China’s Jiangsu province, according to information on official websites.

Griffiths, who has been a regular visitor to China since the 1980s, did not respond to requests for comment.


Meanwhile, David Stupples, a British professor of electronic and radio systems at City, University of London, whose research focuses on electronic intelligence and warfare, said he had been invited to lecture at the technical institute associated with intelligence services in China.

“China has made tremendous progress in radar design over the past 10 years and must be considered in the [world’s] top 10,” he said.

In space-based radar systems, for instance, China has shown “expertise and ingenuity”, but for maritime and airborne applications, “the UK is marginally ahead”, Stupples said.

Britain was also ahead on designing complete intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance systems, although the Chinese military’s “individual components are first rate”, he said.

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Cao Yunhe, an award-winning military radar scientist at Xidian University in Xian, capital of northwest China’s Shaanxi province, said the export licence was good news for China’s military strength and radar research.

“If they are willing to sell we are willing to buy,” he said. “We want to know how their systems operate. It will help us improve our own design,” he said.

However, it was unlikely the technology and equipment being sold by Britain would be its most advanced.

“There will always be some restrictions. If not on quantity, then on quality,” he said.

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Wang Tong, who is also from Xidian University and works on radar systems for China’s military aircraft and satellites, said the exchanges between Chinese and British experts would not go “too deep”.

Britain shares a lot of intelligence with the US, so China could not possibly allow British experts to get directly involved in its military radar programmes, he said,

“Sharing information about models and specifications is strictly prohibited. I believe both sides are fully aware of the consequences,” Wang said.

“Most of the time people are just talking about physics, mathematical models and new theories.”

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: ‘UNLIMITED’ MILITARY SALES APPROVED

I thought this an interesting article as it shows money talks all languages ,perhaps China could be assisted developing anti stealth radar as well

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Is the UK about to do another own goal along with the 1947 sale of Rolls-Royce Nene jet engines which went onto become part of the MIG family of jet aircraft

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What would be interesting to find out is how much technology transfer is part of any such agreement. This is usually behind any large purchase by china.

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seaspear wrote:In space-based radar systems, for instance, China has shown “expertise and ingenuity”, but for maritime and airborne applications, “the UK is marginally ahead”, Stupples said.
- indeed, the latest Defence Industrial Policy (not the update) put the gap at 2 years... quite a number of years ago by now

I was just going to quote what happened "Just In Time" for the Korean skies, through actions of a Labour Gvmnt
R686 wrote:engines which went onto become part of the MIG family of jet aircraft
, but of course a Conservative Gvmnt will aim to beat the record... and (next) will sell a whole RR jet engine factory :lol: :roll: :cry:
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It would be interesting to know if the U.S would allow such a sale of technology to a military rival ,it gets incredulous for the U.K to consider this as the actions of a very close allie with a " special relationship" , should the R.N go on freedom of seas excursions there they can expect to be tracked by radars whose development have been aided by the U.K

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NATO meeting in London... my bet for an item on the agenda: ITAR
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Also don't forget we gave the Chinese jet propulsion industry quite a boost when we gave then dozens of RR Spey engines and tooling in the early 1980s, allowing them to develop their own turbofan engines as against the clones of Russian turbojet engines they had previously been producing.

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News article on China's plan to upgrade the Liaoning aircraft carrier and sell it to Pakistan to increase their influence and help counteract India's growing strength in the region. Not sure if Pakistan would actually buy and operate however.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... istan.html

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^ Not killing the messenger, but that's utter bollocks and has been debunked by the chinese themselves. That website is not what it used to be...


What if China’s 3rd Aircraft Carrier is Conventionally-Powered & Features EMALS ?
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An article published by a subsidiary of Chinese naval group CSSC is suggesting quite clearly that the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN or Chinese Navy) 3rd aircraft carrier will use a conventional propulsion system and EMALS catapults.
https://www.navalnews.com/news/2019/02/ ... ith-emals/

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Finally, two Chinese Aircraft Carriers at sea…
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For the first time ever, two People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN or Chinese Navy) aircraft carriers got underway and were at sea, at the same time. This took place on February 27, 2019.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... rs-at-sea/

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Time to get that PoW ready :)
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By getting the RM to occupy the Treasury to obtain the proper funding.

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Chinese Navy Railgun: What We Know Thus Far
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Following over a year of work and dock trials at the Wuchang Shipyard, the old landing ship 936 Haiyangshan, transformed into a floating test rig for the Chinese Navy's new Railgun, descended from the Blue River for to reach the open sea by the end of 2018.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -thus-far/

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China’s Marine Lizard Amphibious USV
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On April 8, 2019, Chinese engineering company Qingdao Wuchuan Heavy Industry (part of the state-owned shipbuilding corporation China Shipbuilding Industry Corp-CSIC) announced the sea (and land) trials of the “Marine lizard”, the world's first amphibious unmanned surface vessels (USV).
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... bious-usv/

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An original idea form the Chinese rather than copying those of others. They don't often do it but when they do think out of the box they go for broke. The Anti-ship IRBMs is another example.

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Imminent Roll-Out for China’s First Carrier-Based AWACS
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While the large blocks of China’s 3rd aircraft carrier come out one after the other at Shanghai’s Jiangnan Changxing shipyard, for a keel laying sometime in 2019 according to our estimate, another major amplifier component of the Chinese naval aviation should also leave the assembly line and conduct its first flight soon: The carrier-based AWACS, able to take off from the flight deck using a catapult and tasked with the surveillance of the sky and the surface around the carrier strike group.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... sed-awacs/

China to celebrate PLAN’s 70th Anniversary with Large Fleet Review
32 Chinese vessels and 39 military planes are set to participate in the naval parade tomorrow, April 23, to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN or Chinese Navy). Close to twenty foreign vessels will also take part in the fleet review.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... et-review/

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This is an interesting new craft from China worth a look ,,not sure how it would go in some terrains with the small tracks though
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/uv-o ... rs-ashore/

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This is an interesting story I just wondered whom the product was bought for is this a normal task of the navy LOL
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-ac ... 6bee1c90c9

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Latest June satellite pic shows Dalian shipyards with six Type 052 and four Type 055 cruisers in build, their are two shipyards building 052/055s, the other is the Jiangnan shipyard Shanghai building similar numbers.

PS Tried to post satellite pic 229 KB jpg file of shipyard but fails, asked Admin to explain what I'm doing wrong, error message says board quota reached.

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Been saying for a while someone would look to do this soon....just a model at the moment, but they have a habit of becoming real with the Chinese.

Now what are we doing with our old Reapers again?


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Timmymagic wrote:Been saying for a while someone would look to do this soon....just a model at the moment, but they have a habit of becoming real with the Chinese.

Now what are we doing with our old Reapers again?

This role is already starting to be filled in the west with the likes of the Bell V-247 that can also fold down to fit in an ABs hanger.

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Jake1992 wrote:This role is already starting to be filled in the west with the likes of the Bell V-247 that can also fold down to fit in an ABs hanger.
I suspect we'll see this a whole lot sooner than a V-247.

But its a interesting idea for the likes of the UK and US. Both have numbers of Reaper's that may be redundant. With anti-access strategies proliferating, having unmanned AEW that can be pushed ahead of manned AEW assets could be a useful capability.

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Timmymagic wrote:
Jake1992 wrote:This role is already starting to be filled in the west with the likes of the Bell V-247 that can also fold down to fit in an ABs hanger.
I suspect we'll see this a whole lot sooner than a V-247.

But its a interesting idea for the likes of the UK and US. Both have numbers of Reaper's that may be redundant. With anti-access strategies proliferating, having unmanned AEW that can be pushed ahead of manned AEW assets could be a useful capability.
I agree with reusing old Reaper stock in the AEW role most likely best suited for army needs.

With regard to the V-247 it’s already in late stage development and testing, I could very well see it deployed with in 10 years at max. The v-247 would give a better AEW capability for the QEs than crows nest in a Unmanned format like the above but in one of the other variants would give a similar capability to the current Reaper fleet for deployment on the QEs ( something a lot of people have been asking for )

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Jake1992 wrote:With regard to the V-247 it’s already in late stage development and testing
Think you're thinking of the V-280 Valor. The V-247 is in very early design phase and has not received a contract yet.

https://www.janes.com/article/88335/nav ... -programme

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