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Egyptian Navy Using Avengers as Air Defense for its Mistral-class LHD during Cleopatra Exercise
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During the joint French-Egyptian naval exercises "Cleopatra 2017" held from 8 to 11 July 2017, a video released by the Egyptian MoD shows the Anwar El-Sadat (Mistral-class) LHD with four US-made AN/TWQ-1 Avenger on the flight deck acting as point short-range air defence systems.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... rcise.html

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Pretty clever use of resources. I imagine the ship's don't have a Russian missile system fitted yet or will they eventually spec a french/western system?


Does show again though that the UK are behind the curve by not having a SAM system fitted to our bigger ships. CAMM should be rolled out across the entire fleet including RFA.

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Dahedd wrote:I imagine the ship's don't have a Russian missile system fitted yet or will they eventually spec a french/western system?
The official line was that the armaments and their control systems (all Russian; the French initially wanted to sell their CMS, but that was the red line - then - for other NATO members, who said "no") were removed before the vessels were available for resale.

As soon as the vessel was in Egypt, out comes the news that Russian helicopters will be purchased for them as they are the only ones compatible.
- compatible with what? The size of the lifts...
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The Russian ships were set to be fitted with GIBKA sam and AK360 CIWS...
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... tions.html

A couple of Navy officers (active) commented on my story, saying the solution looks good on paper but is not very effective: With no integration with the ship's CMS, effectiveness is limited. Let the alone the issue of stabilization with the hull's pitch and roll.

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Germany Approves Export of Six Vessels to Egypt in 2.3 Billion € Deal
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Germany's Federal Government gave its green light for the delivery of six frigates to the Egyptian navy as part of a dea worth about 2.3 billion euros.

According to German newspaper BILD, the Budgets Committee gave the go-ahead for an export credit guarantee in order to secure the settlement of the deal.

The six vessels for the Egyptian Navy will be produced by Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (TKMS). Three of the vessels will be MEKO A-200 frigates, a design already selected by two African navies: South Africa and Egypt. It is unclear what type the other three vessels will be.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... on-e-deal/

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xav wrote: by Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (TKMS). Three of the vessels will be MEKO A-200 frigates, a design already selected by two African navies: South Africa and Egypt.
Will we soon join the club? Good "e" credentials as A-100 and A-200 deals seem to be coming thick and fast.
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
xav wrote: by Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (TKMS). Three of the vessels will be MEKO A-200 frigates, a design already selected by two African navies: South Africa and Egypt.
Will we soon join the club? Good "e" credentials as A-100 and A-200 deals seem to be coming thick and fast.
IDK... when they bid for FFG(X) last year, I've been told that the fact that the South African and Algerian navies selected the design didn't really play in TKMS' favor... not that there anything wrong with it... just that those two are not really "top tier" navies...

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Xav, are there any modern MEKO designs available that are larger than the A-200, such as a successor to the designs built for Argentina for example?

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xav wrote: just that those two are not really "top tier" navies...
Yep, that was what I meant with 'the club' :)

When will we become the aspiring member, as opposed to being the 'secretary of the club'... counting points 'for' and 'against'
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Lord Jim wrote:Xav, are there any modern MEKO designs available that are larger than the A-200, such as a successor to the designs built for Argentina for example?
There is the MEKO 600 which is a variation of F125 I believe

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Egypt's ousted president Mohammed Morsi dies during courtroom trial.
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Second Italian-Built FREMM For Egypt Started Sea Trials
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The second of two FREMM frigates to be delivered by Fincantieri to Egypt started sea trials in mid-February according to photographs obtained by Naval News.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ea-trials/

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Egypt is slowly building up quite a nice capable navy, possible the strongest in Africa and only Israel has anything comparable in the area, with its new Corvettes and Submarines.

Does anyone have any information on the Egyptian Marines, if they exist as the have purchased a formidable air wing for their new LHDs and I was wondering what amphibious troops they have or do they rely on the Army and non specialist amphibious forces?

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Lord Jim wrote:Egypt is slowly building up quite a nice capable navy, possible the strongest in Africa and only Israel has anything comparable in the area
It is two-fold:
In the early days bank-rolled by the Saudis as they could only build one navy (the Gulf) and wanted Egypt to look after the Red Sea side
- not for lack of money (money went to Egypt), but simply lacking the manpower to do both at the same time

Now the driver is Turkey - in offshore Egypt and Israel are on the same side.
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Interesting how in the 1990s,Turkey was on very friendly terms with both Israel and Egypt.

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They weren't , then, after the leadership position in the Sunni Moslem world
- and something will have to pay for that Empire Mk2
- it can't be Turkish manufactures, which have retained their access to the EU, but at the same time are increasingly looking for markets in the 'emerging' world
- so tapping off-shore is the only answer for the "grandeur again -project",
-(so), while at it, why not tap into other people's resources as well. A bit of a replay of Saddam&Kuwait, no?
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Oops


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Looks like they were going for a 3 point turn ! perhaps they forgot the change for the toll both :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I've seen video of one of these massive ships trying to overtake another on one of the lake sections. Unfortunately it was only half-way past before it narrowed again! Cue one large ship refusing to slow down ploughing straight into the side of another that is determined to get to the exit first. I would not have wanted the job of knocking the dents out of that one!
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Ships from Russia, Italy, France, Germany ... and now from the UK:
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/indu ... ps-from-uk

The naval build up continues unabated. Staying out longer - without pulling back to home port - points to power projection plans; to the South, or in the Med?
ArmChairCivvy wrote:In the early days bank-rolled by the Saudis as they could only build one navy (the Gulf) and wanted Egypt to look after the Red Sea side
- not for lack of money (money went to Egypt), but simply lacking the manpower to do both at the same time

Now the driver is Turkey - in offshore Egypt and Israel are on the same side.
and the two mentioned countries are the 'southern axis' of the Franco-Greek naval alliance, which of late has been formalised (in the more concrete context of the FDI deal).
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)

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ArmChairCivvy wrote:Ships from Russia, Italy, France, Germany ... and now from the UK:
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/indu ... ps-from-uk

The naval build up continues unabated. Staying out longer - without pulling back to home port - points to power projection plans; to the South, or in the Med?
ArmChairCivvy wrote:In the early days bank-rolled by the Saudis as they could only build one navy (the Gulf) and wanted Egypt to look after the Red Sea side
- not for lack of money (money went to Egypt), but simply lacking the manpower to do both at the same time

Now the driver is Turkey - in offshore Egypt and Israel are on the same side.
and the two mentioned countries are the 'southern axis' of the Franco-Greek naval alliance, which of late has been formalised (in the more concrete context of the FDI deal).
The power play in the eastern Mediterranean and the North African coast grows by the year. We should be concerned. This is being fuelled by some of the largest finds in the world of oil and gas in the Nile delta.

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Egypt joins the K-9 club with $1.7bn deal for "around 200 K9 artillery systems" and " scores of support vehicles, such as the K10 ammunition resupply vehicles."

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/0 ... uth-korea/

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It is a very good system and the A2 will be fantastic, it just isn't really what the British Army need is ti is to be easily deployable and support once in theatre whilst being high mobile over large distances, which is what our Army requires. We are only ordering around 116 new platforms to replace the AS-90, though the Army has said a modified AS-90 is a possibility though a small one as is adopting the US Army's Paladin. Personally I think it is between the Anglo/Swedish offering and the two offerings by Germany that are in teh running with the French following behind.

AS for Egypt, Saudi Arabia is really getting its Cheque Book out these days to fund many of the latter's defence purchases.

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