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I was just wondering if there was any connection to my (theoretical ) 24 Oct comment of the most suitable SuperHornet version, vs. the Growler which is a specialised mission (and thereby v expensive) a/c
- cfr, the new Gvmnt putting the mission as less expeditionary, and more patrol and interception.

By way of a joke, the most suitable a/c for them would be the PAK-FA:
- huge range
- massive missile load-out
- capable detection radars, and some capacity to hide itself from the other side by means of stealth
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Im not sure if the PAK-FA is much cheaper than the F35 and having the"export" version is practical ,considering maintenance issues on other aircraft supplied by these countries it could be very expensive ,if in ten years time India bings some of these aircraft to a red flag meet that might be interesting

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Spanish auxiliary ship integrates into Canadian Navy
The Spanish Navy auxiliary oiler and replenishment (AOR) ship Patiño (A-14) set sail from Ferrol, Spain towards Halifax, Canada for a two-month deployment with the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN).

In Halifax the Patiño will integrate into a US Navy and RCN task group to participate in the international manoeuvers TGEX-2016 in the east coast of North America. Throughout the deployment a 35-strong contingent of Canadian servicemen on board the AOR will receive training during the exercises at sea.

This deployment is the Spanish Navy response to an RCN request given its present lack of replenishment at sea (RAS) capability.
More here: http://navaltoday.com/2016/02/09/spanis ... dian-navy/

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seaspear wrote:having the"export" version is practical ,considering maintenance issues
Well, it was a joke, and I don't think that India will ever get their PAK-FA (at least not their own two-seater version, made in India).

But let's just assume they will. The SU bid fro Russia to Brazil was backed up by an undertaking from India to provide a source (and, if required, maintenance) for the engines on those planes.
- that one never happened, either, but there are ways and means....
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I t seems to come back to how much the Canadian government wishes to spend per unit cost ,the F35 is far from the most expensive , an aircraft chosen should have to be cutting edge and have growth

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First CH-148 Cyclone Helicopter Fully Manned by RCAF Crew Lands on HMCS Halifax Frigate
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Just off the coast of Nova Scotia recently, the sun shone on a milestone achievement for the Royal Canadian Air Force’s CH-148 Cyclone helicopter project. The first Cyclone helicopter, fully manned by Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) personnel, successfully landed on a Canadian warship at sea on January 27, 2016. Her Majesty’s Canadian Ship Halifax, the ship on which the first Cyclone landing occurred, has been involved with CH-148 testing and training for the past year.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3599

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Retired British Admiral to Aid Canada’s Shipbuilding Programme
Canadian officials announced February 22 that a new expert advisor has been elected to assist on the $26.2 billion “Canadian Surface Combatant” shipbuilding programme under the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy (NSPS).

Through the NSPS, the Government is supporting the renewal of the Canada Coast Guard fleet, and ensuring that the Royal Canadian Navy is able to operate as a blue water maritime force.

Retired Royal Navy Rear Admiral Steve Brunton has been brought in to advise on the programe which is already estimated to be over budget.
Read More: http://navaltoday.com/2016/02/24/retire ... programme/

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Royal Canadian Navy Test-Fires Harpoon Block II Missile Against Ground Target
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The HMCS Vancouver became the first combat surface ship of the Royal Canadian Navy to fire a Harpoon Block II missile against a ground target. The launch took place at a United States Navy firing range, during a Joint Littoral Training Exercise (JoLTEX) between the two navies.
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The Armchair Soldier wrote:Retired British Admiral to Aid Canada’s Shipbuilding Programme
Canadian officials announced February 22 that a new expert advisor has been elected to assist on the $26.2 billion “Canadian Surface Combatant” shipbuilding programme under the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy (NSPS).

Through the NSPS, the Government is supporting the renewal of the Canada Coast Guard fleet, and ensuring that the Royal Canadian Navy is able to operate as a blue water maritime force.

Retired Royal Navy Rear Admiral Steve Brunton has been brought in to advise on the programe which is already estimated to be over budget.
Read More: http://navaltoday.com/2016/02/24/retire ... programme/
interesting considering how well defence procurement has been in the UK especially in the royal navy. Though with the Canadian government defence review starting a few weeks ago some other options could be explored along with other commonwealth nations especially if Canada is looking at spreading cost out over longer periods of time and number of units.

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Camcopter S-100 Successfully Demonstrates its Capability During Canadian Icebreaking Operations
At the end of March 2016 at Fogo Island in Canada, Schiebel’s CAMCOPTER® S-100 Unmanned Air System (UAS) successfully demonstrated its capabilities to a host of dignitaries from the Canadian Coast Guard, the Royal Canadian Navy, Transport Canada, the Canadian National Research Council and the University of Alaska in partnership with the Memorial University of Newfoundland.
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DCNS Confident its FREMM is the Right Solution for the Royal Canadian Navy CSC Program
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The Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) is the Royal Canadian Navy procurement program that will replace the Iroquois class Destroyers and Halifax class Frigates with up to 15 new ships in about the mid-2020s. Navy Recognition contacted DCNS Canada's head, Olivier Casenave-Péré, to see where the French shipbuilder chances stand as the Canadian Government is considering changing course on the CSC program.
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Two FREMM variants based on the same baseline vessel are being offered by DCNS as Olivier Casenave explains: "We are proposing two variants of our FREMM. A multi-mission variant and an air defense variant. Both will have strong ASW capabilities".
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For the Air Defense variant DCNS is proposing a FREMM fitted with a 4 panel array radar (active electronically scanned) from Thales.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3996

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GCS sets course for Canada
BAE Systems (Booth 711) has a number of programmes running in Canada, but arguably the most important is its bid to become Warship Designer and Combat Systems Integrator for the Canadian Surface Combatant requirement, for which a selection decision is expected next year.

For CSC the company is proposing a ‘Canadianised’ version of the Global Combat Ship (GCS), which is currently in design for the UK Royal Navy as the Type 26 frigate to replace Type 23s in the early 2020s. The vessel has been designed to be a highly versatile warship that can undertake a wide variety of roles, from high-intensity conflict to OOTW (operations other than war) activities such as humanitarian aid, evacuation and disaster relief, as well as long-distance coastal and Arctic patrol.

From the outset the GCS design was planned with adaptability in mind, allowing the vessel to be easily tailored to meet the individual requirements of different customers. The design has been shaped so that a change to one element has a minimum of impact on other areas. Also, as a brand-new design, the GCS has considerable growth capacity built in to cater for future technology insertion and new missions.

BAE Systems believes that the GCS is well positioned for the Canadian requirement. From a programme point of view, the UK’s Type 26 is in the final stages of detailed design, with the first steel to be cut next year. With Canada around three years behind the UK in the procurement cycle, the CSC design could benefit considerably from input from the Type 26.
http://www.janes.com/article/60719/gcs- ... nsec2016d2

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Warship designers, federal government huddle in Halifax on frigate replacement
The Trudeau government is expected to soon unveil "the way forward" on the navy's multibillion-dollar frigate replacement program following a high-level meeting with companies competing to design the warships.

Government sources tell CBC News that the groundwork for a proposal request has been laid and Procurement Minister Judy Foote is expected to outline the program's vision in a speech Thursday before the annual defence industry trade show in Ottawa.

She is also likely to announce that the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy will get a new name.
The sources said last week's meeting in Halifax allowed the navy to lay out its high-level requirements — both top secret and open source — to 12 international companies and the prime contractor, Irving Shipbuilding.

The Liberals are anxious to get the request for proposals on the street and have privately laid out an aggressive timeline, which could see responses delivered later this year — or early in 2017.

That would be lightning speed in the world of military procurement.

Part of the reason is political and meant to give Canadians the impression the Liberals are fixing a broken system, said one source with knowledge of the file.

Another reason is that neither Irving nor the federal government wants to see a gap between construction of the Arctic offshore patrol ships and the frigate replacements.

"The timelines need to be aggressive to get things moving," Irving president Kevin McCoy told CBC News in an interview.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/foote-s ... -1.3600322

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xav wrote:DCNS Confident its FREMM is the Right Solution for the Royal Canadian Navy CSC Program
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The Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) is the Royal Canadian Navy procurement program that will replace the Iroquois class Destroyers and Halifax class Frigates with up to 15 new ships in about the mid-2020s. Navy Recognition contacted DCNS Canada's head, Olivier Casenave-Péré, to see where the French shipbuilder chances stand as the Canadian Government is considering changing course on the CSC program.
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Two FREMM variants based on the same baseline vessel are being offered by DCNS as Olivier Casenave explains: "We are proposing two variants of our FREMM. A multi-mission variant and an air defense variant. Both will have strong ASW capabilities".
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For the Air Defense variant DCNS is proposing a FREMM fitted with a 4 panel array radar (active electronically scanned) from Thales.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3996

will be interesting to see once final spec and IP issues are sorted with Collins class replacement will the French push the Submarine barrow to the Canadians to replace upholders (that's even if they replace them)

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I think Trudeau is riding high enough to eat crow and buy F-35s in a couple years. Mainly comes down to does he want to look like he's being forced into it, which makes him look weaker, or change his mind and be called a flip-flopper.

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Canada is now the second-largest arms exporter to the Middle East, after the USA:
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Canada's National Anthem lyrics to be changed
Canadian MPs have voted to change the lyrics of the English language version of the country's national anthem to make it more gender neutral.
The move would change the words "in all thy sons command" to "in all of us command" in the anthem, O Canada. It was tabled by MP Mauril Belanger, of the governing Liberal Party, who is suffering from an incurable disease.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has focused on gender inclusivity since his election last October. After the vote, MPs stood and applauded Mr Belanger, who sat in the House in his wheelchair. The change now goes to the Senate, which is expected to pass it. However, it is unclear if that will happen before the Senate rises for summer and the bill's supporters fear Mr Belanger may not live to see the change become law. He was diagnosed last November with Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS), also known as Lou Gehrig's disease.

The fight to change the words of O Canada has stirred a passionate national debate. A similar plan was rejected in 2010 by the Conservatives, who held the majority in parliament.
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have the Joint Support ships gone ahead?
Has any steel been cut?

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marktigger wrote:have the Joint Support ships gone ahead?
Has any steel been cut?

I was under the impression that because they want everything built in house the have an interim oiler being built up now from memory and the JSS turned into a German Berlin class to be built around 2020, to be honest it's a bit challenging keeping up with Canadian future ship building let alone a future RCAF ACF

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My suspicion it'll be cancelled

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marktigger wrote:My suspicion it'll be cancelled
Ah, here it is.
On November 30, 2015, the Government of Canada announced the signing of a contract with Project Resolve Inc. to develop an interim AOR capability.

This contract entails the conversion of a commercial container ship (MV Asterix) into an AOR ship, the provision of the ship’s crew, its overall operational management, and all maintenance. This interim solution will be used to provide at-sea replenishment services to the RCN in non-threat environments.

Project Resolve Inc. has been contracted to provide this at-sea service by fall 2017. The initial period of service delivery will be five years, with options to extend that period by up to five additional one-year terms. The exercise of the options will be at Canada’s sole discretion.

The interim AOR capability will help bridge the gap until the second Queenston-class Joint Support Ship joins RCN fleet operations in late 2021. Its introduction will allow the RCN’s Halifax-class frigates to continue to operate for extended periods away from home port, without relying on foreign ships or port visits for frequently required support and resupply.

http://www.navy-marine.forces.gc.ca/ass ... fs_eng.pdf

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