MBDA (UK)

[Jackstar]

[zavve]

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That picture is fascinating since it seems like it shows EXLS, I strongly suspected that the regular mushrooms would be fitted behind the bridge where Umkhonto was originally planned.

[new guy]

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That picture is fascinating since it seems like it shows EXLS, I strongly suspected that the regular mushrooms would be fitted behind the bridge where Umkhonto was originally planned.

Apparently EXLS from what I have seen



I hoped It would be next gen CAMM VLS.

[Timmymagic]

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It's 3 x standalone ExLS, for 9 cells total. With quadpacking that will be 36 missiles. With 5 Visby Class, test missiles and small number of reloads/spares its likely the Swedish Navy's order will be for at least 250 missiles. With more to come with the Lulea Class when it enters service in the 2030's (perhaps with CAMM-MR as well). The Lulea Class is the replacement concept for the Visby Generation 2 vessels.

There will need to be some work on the ExLS installation, but as Canada and the Saudi Navy will also be using this on the CSC and MMSC it needs to be done anyway.

[new guy]

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It's 3 x standalone ExLS, for 9 cells total. With quadpacking that will be 36 missiles. With 5 Visby Class, test missiles and small number of reloads/spares its likely the Swedish Navy's order will be for at least 250 missiles. With more to come with the Lulea Class when it enters service in the 2030's (perhaps with CAMM-MR as well). The Lulea Class is the replacement concept for the Visby Generation 2 vessels.

There will need to be some work on the ExLS installation, but as Canada and the Saudi Navy will also be using this on the CSC and MMSC it needs to be done anyway.

Yes, it is 3x3 ExLS.

Interesting what swedens take will be on CAMM vs ER vs MR.
+ ground air defence as well

Knowing swedes, they probably calculated :
Amount of refills needed based on ship survivability
+ Inital test amount
+ number of years until second order (Lulea class) x yearly expenditure ( yearly Test + one off fires for small incidents)
than all of that times the % in maintenance

As for ExLS, it is firmly in common now, with the Canadians, saudi's, Swedes, + poland and maybe UK for MK41.

It will be interesting with the Babcock + saab corvette deal, and whether that will be the Lulea class, the inspiration for it, or just a general design.
+ whether they will be constructed at roysth.

Also how close they will be to Visby 2.0, Pohjanmaa-class, e.c.t. or any of the ~100m ship designs in that range that both saab and babcock have had in recent years.

[zavve]

+ whether they will be constructed at roysth.

Also how close they will be to Visby 2.0, Pohjanmaa-class, e.c.t. or any of the ~100m ship designs in that range that both saab and babcock have had in recent years.

The Luleå class will 100% not be constructed at Rosyth. The hull will probably be built overseas (I suspect in Poland but Rosyth is an option), but the integration and installation of weapons systems and sensors etc will be done by Saab in Karlskrona. The ship is also basically guaranteed to use the SLIM mast that the Pohjanmaa will use so it should look broadly comparable to Pohjanmaa-class.
Just speculating the Luleå is likely to be:
100-120M
2500+ tonnes
Saab SLIM mast (SG4A+SG1X)
RBS-15mk4 (8+)
Mk41 (or EXLS) with CAMM, ER, and MR.
Torped 47 (2+2)
Bofors 57mm mk3
9LV mk4
HMS & VDS+TASS
Hangar for 1 MH-60R or Hkp-14F (MH-60R is speculated to be replacing Hkp-14F)

[new guy]

+ whether they will be constructed at roysth.

Also how close they will be to Visby 2.0, Pohjanmaa-class, e.c.t. or any of the ~100m ship designs in that range that both saab and babcock have had in recent years.

The Luleå class will 100% not be constructed at Rosyth. The hull will probably be built overseas (I suspect in Poland but Rosyth is an option), but the integration and installation of weapons systems and sensors etc will be done by Saab in Karlskrona. The ship is also basically guaranteed to use the SLIM mast that the Pohjanmaa will use so it should look broadly comparable to Pohjanmaa-class.
Just speculating the Luleå is likely to be:
100-120M
2500+ tonnes
Saab SLIM mast (SG4A+SG1X)
RBS-15mk4 (8+)
Mk41 (or EXLS) with CAMM, ER, and MR.
Torped 47 (2+2)
Bofors 57mm mk3
9LV mk4
HMS & VDS+TASS
Hangar for 1 MH-60R or Hkp-14F (MH-60R is speculated to be replacing Hkp-14F)

Thats what I meant, hull construction in rosyth, hull fitout in karlskrona.

[Ian Hall]

Not quite sure if we've seen such an export success as is CAMM for many decades.

[Ian Hall]

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_te ... -9171.html

[SD67]

Not quite sure if we've seen such an export success as is CAMM for many decades.

It seems to have hit a sweet spot in the market, like Hawk or CVRT

[Ian Hall]

https://www.thecomet.net/news/24087348. ... programme/

[Timmymagic]

Looks like an order from the Spanish Air Force for Spear is on the way...