Rest in peace RN :-(

[shark bait]

The do deserve their fair share of defense spending, but the SNP show their immaturity campaigning to grab all the good bits (shipbuilding), whist campaigning to off load the bad bits (nukes). Suppose I shouldn't expect nationalists to recognize the bigger picture.

[marktigger]

and why does it all have to revolve round England?

the Royal Navy is a United Kingdom force it recruits from across the 4 nations!

English nationalism is just as big a threat to the union as Scottish Nationalism, Welsh nationalism or Irish republicanism.

well to me the UK seems to revolve around scotland we are not allowed to upset them in case heaven forbid they call for another referendum, The UK is never going to be stable with the constant threat of the jocks wanting to leave

maybe because the Scots have been the main nation to say they have had enough of being treated as second class citizens in the UK especially as when Nationalism was rising the main source of revenue coming into the UK was North Sea Oil?

[abc123]

and why does it all have to revolve round England?

the Royal Navy is a United Kingdom force it recruits from across the 4 nations!

English nationalism is just as big a threat to the union as Scottish Nationalism, Welsh nationalism or Irish republicanism.

well to me the UK seems to revolve around scotland we are not allowed to upset them in case heaven forbid they call for another referendum, The UK is never going to be stable with the constant threat of the jocks wanting to leave

maybe because the Scots have been the main nation to say they have had enough of being treated as second class citizens in the UK especially as when Nationalism was rising the main source of revenue coming into the UK was North Sea Oil?

Any example of that?

[FuNsTeR]

and why does it all have to revolve round England?

the Royal Navy is a United Kingdom force it recruits from across the 4 nations!

English nationalism is just as big a threat to the union as Scottish Nationalism, Welsh nationalism or Irish republicanism.

well to me the UK seems to revolve around scotland we are not allowed to upset them in case heaven forbid they call for another referendum, The UK is never going to be stable with the constant threat of the jocks wanting to leave

maybe because the Scots have been the main nation to say they have had enough of being treated as second class citizens in the UK especially as when Nationalism was rising the main source of revenue coming into the UK was North Sea Oil?

Any example of that?

looks like the PM is readying for battle with the poisoned dwarf

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/p ... -1-4373089

[marktigger]

let me see Scottish sports stars called British when winning and Scottish when losing.

[SKB]

UK Population
England: 53,012,456 (83.95%)
Scotland: 5,295,000 (8.4%)
Wales: 3,063,456 (4.8%)
N.Ireland: 1,810,863 (2.9%)

[abc123]

let me see Scottish sports stars called British when winning and Scottish when losing.

Well, if you don't have anything stronger than that, case dismissed.

[abc123]

A final nail in the coffin:

https://navaltoday.com/2017/03/02/royal ... -missiles/

[FuNsTeR]

This is pretty depressing if it is true that we are facing a shortfall of £1 Billion every year in procuring due to the rising costs of replacing aging military hardware


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_fb

[abc123]

This is pretty depressing if it is true that we are facing a shortfall of £1 Billion every year in procuring due to the rising costs of replacing aging military hardware


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_fb

Well, Fallon said that the UK plc doesen't need Royal Marines anymore... He should know...

[FuNsTeR]

This is pretty depressing if it is true that we are facing a shortfall of £1 Billion every year in procuring due to the rising costs of replacing aging military hardware


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_fb

Well, Fallon said that the UK plc doesen't need Royal Marines anymore... He should know...

wow they have changed the story , this was not included in the article i linked to last night, cutting the Royal marines is a effing disgrace

[abc123]

This is pretty depressing if it is true that we are facing a shortfall of £1 Billion every year in procuring due to the rising costs of replacing aging military hardware


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_fb

Well, Fallon said that the UK plc doesen't need Royal Marines anymore... He should know...

wow they have changed the story , this was not included in the article i linked to last night, cutting the Royal marines is a effing disgrace

What to say, expecting from HMG sane and sensible moves would be unrealistic...

[dmereifield]

Royal Navy a 'laughing stock' with three quarters of its warships out of action and 'struggling to protect British citizens

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09 ... truggling/

The article also reports engine troubles for HMS Ocean, causing a week long delay.....

[The Armchair Soldier]

Royal Navy a 'laughing stock' with three quarters of its warships out of action and 'struggling to protect British citizens

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09 ... truggling/

The article also reports engine troubles for HMS Ocean, causing a week long delay.....

[ArmChairCivvy]

Royal Navy a 'laughing stock' with three quarters of its warships out of action and 'struggling to protect British citizens

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09 ... truggling/

Humphrey (@ The Thin Pinstriped Line) does forensics on the above article:
"the article relies on a lot of convenient memories, stitching together of half truths and different bits of the puzzle and forgetting various bits of recent RN history to make it stick" and is a good and informative read even without having read the original article
- a pity that no one seems to have got to the bottom of the genesis of the piece on the F-35 "shambles" by The Times

[abc123]

Considering that I started this thread exactly because of the news about 2018 retirement of the RNs Harpoons, this is indeed a very good news:


http://www.janes.com/article/74044/dsei ... retirement

[Lord Jim]

Bad press is bad press regardless of the truth and I think this announcement was a no brainer to avoid further articles if we lost the capability all together. As long as a replacement comes on line at the same time as the first T-26 is delivered I will be happy.

[abc123]

Bad press is bad press regardless of the truth and I think this announcement was a no brainer to avoid further articles if we lost the capability all together. As long as a replacement comes on line at the same time as the first T-26 is delivered I will be happy.

Agreed. But considering the history of the various RN gaps in capabilities...